Windows 10

Destination · 6 Jun 2015 at 18:01

Zhokel said:
Quick question for anyone who removed the updates that made the reserve icon pop up etc, does your windows update window still say that the windows 10 upgrade is still reserved? Just curious.

e.g.

Yes, but you can click 'SHOW ALL AVAILABLE UPDATES' to get the most recent and new updates that have become available since.

Zhokel · 6 Jun 2015 at 19:09

Hikari Kisugi said:
Yes, but you can click 'SHOW ALL AVAILABLE UPDATES' to get the most recent and new updates that have become available since.

Cool cheers, and yeah I know

, I was just curious as to whether removing it may cause problems down the line as I've not looked too much into it and wondered what part knows that the machine is reserved or not.

EdwardTeach · 6 Jun 2015 at 21:46

I am having a few problems with Windows 8.1 atm so I have been thinking of doing a clean install. As windows 10 is round the corner I was wondering if I should just make the jump to w10 now. I have a few questions :

1) will the w10 technical preview convert into "nomal" w10 when it releases or will I need to do another install then?
2) how is w10 now? Any reason I would want to hold onto w8.1 for now? Is it lacking any functionality? I mainly use the pc for gaming at the moment, are there any compatibility issues?
3) where is the best place to get hold of an iso for USB install? I signed up to be part of the technical preview, but I haven't made use of that yet, would that be the best route?

GAM8LE · 6 Jun 2015 at 21:49

EdwardTeach said:
I am having a few problems with Windows 8.1 atm so I have been thinking of doing a clean install. As windows 10 is round the corner I was wondering if I should just make the jump to w10 now. I have a few questions :

1) will the w10 technical preview convert into "nomal" w10 when it releases or will I need to do another install then?
2) how is w10 now? Any reason I would want to hold onto w8.1 for now? Is it lacking any functionality? I mainly use the pc for gaming at the moment, are there any compatibility issues?
3) where is the best place to get hold of an iso for USB install? I signed up to be part of the technical preview, but I haven't made use of that yet, would that be the best route?

1 - Yes it will.
2 - From what I have seen its awesome! Gaming support is great as Nvidia have already released w10 drivers, and I had no issues running w8.1 drivers a few months ago. Functionality wise it is fine - legacy parts are still there and the new stuff is currently additional to that.
3 - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso latest build as ISO

EdwardTeach · 6 Jun 2015 at 22:02

Thanks!

Drizmod · 6 Jun 2015 at 22:04

C35799Gamble said:
1 - Yes it will.

How would this work exactly? Would we need to put in our Windows 8 key somewhere?

Skeeter · 6 Jun 2015 at 23:15

It only works if you use the Windows Update route for the Preview and install it over your existing 8.1 install, thus preserving the key so it can be upgraded.

There is no confirmation yet that you will be able to move to the final version of Windows 10 if you do a clean install of 10 Preview from an ISO, as like you say, there will be no key in it.

Psyxologos · 6 Jun 2015 at 23:15

I am sure this has been covered extensively here, but going through 103 pages is a bit too much on a Saturday evening!

A couple of questions, if I may:

1. In a nutshell, does it make sense for me (running windows 7 professional) to go for the free upgrade to windows 10 at this point? Seeing I would rather avoid 'teething' problems with the new OS and I am quite happy as it is, I am skeptical.

2. What if I do not like windows 10? I suspect I will have to fresh install Windows 7, right?

3. In the future, should I like windows 10 and want to have them again after a clean install, I suspect I will have to go through the upgrade process again from Windows 7, right? Will I get a product key for Windows 10 now that will entitle me to the free upgrade in the future too, or is this only relevant in the next 12 months?

Many thanks and apologies if these questions sound daft...

Skeeter · 6 Jun 2015 at 23:19

Psyxologos said:
I am sure this has been covered extensively here, but going through 103 pages is a bit too much on a Saturday evening!

A couple of questions, if I may:

1. In a nutshell, does it make sense for me (running windows 7 professional) to go for the free upgrade to windows 10 at this point? Seeing I would rather avoid 'teething' problems with the new OS and I am quite happy as it is, I am skeptical.

2. What if I do not like windows 10? I suspect I will have to fresh install Windows 7, right?

3. In the future, should I like windows 10 and want to have them again after a clean install, I suspect I will have to go through the upgrade process again from Windows 7, right? Will I get a product key for Windows 10 now that will entitle me to the free upgrade in the future too, or is this only relevant in the next 12 months?

Many thanks and apologies if these questions sound daft...

1. You have until July 2016. If your in any way concerned I'd suggest waiting.
2. MS have said you can go back, but not given details of how. They have not supported downgrading Windows with any previous upgrades they have done to other Windows versions.
3. Upgrades remain forever, they are not time limited. Your 7 key will become a 10 key and you can do a clean reinstall of 10 using the downloaded media (bootable USB creation tool most likely) or using the inbuilt 'Reset' feature in Windows 10.

Old Man · 7 Jun 2015 at 00:34

Sorry if already asked, but does anybody know if at some point Win 10 users will end up paying a subscription for future updates?

Psyxologos · 7 Jun 2015 at 01:44

Skeeter said:
1. You have until July 2016. If your in any way concerned I'd suggest waiting.
2. MS have said you can go back, but not given details of how. They have not supported downgrading Windows with any previous upgrades they have done to other Windows versions.
3. Upgrades remain forever, they are not time limited. Your 7 key will become a 10 key and you can do a clean reinstall of 10 using the downloaded media (bootable USB creation tool most likely) or using the inbuilt 'Reset' feature in Windows 10.

Many thanks for that. I think I better wait and see how it pans out in the next few months!

UTmaniac · 7 Jun 2015 at 08:39

Has anyone else here had build updates fail since build 10122, through both Windows Update and standalone clean installs?

USB pen with iso starts to boot, reaches Windows logo, after a while pc reboots. Rinse and repeat.

Skynet5 · 7 Jun 2015 at 08:45

BaronVonDuncs said:
The clean install all seems a bit convoluted. My impression is that you have to upgrade to Win 10 first from a qualifying O/S. Once you have done that you could use the Win 10 recovery system to do a clean install.

I dont know if media will be available to allow a clean install from say a formatted blank HDD/SSD drive. I think media will be available to do the upgrade for those who have slow or heavily charged internet connections but that's not the same as using media to install from scratch. However Win 8.1 allows you to download a media iso to install from clean so maybe Win 10 will as well. Not sure how that all works though if there's no win key code with Win 10.

Once upgraded we'll get a new key. And from the OS we will be able to create installation media.

Skynet5 · 7 Jun 2015 at 08:47

Old Man said:
Sorry if already asked, but does anybody know if at some point Win 10 users will end up paying a subscription for future updates?

Not heard anything. But windows 10 is their last major release. So I presme in the next 5 years something like this may come along.

Skynet5 · 7 Jun 2015 at 08:50

Skeeter said:
1. You have until July 2016. If your in any way concerned I'd suggest waiting.
2. MS have said you can go back, but not given details of how. They have not supported downgrading Windows with any previous upgrades they have done to other Windows versions.
3. Upgrades remain forever, they are not time limited. Your 7 key will become a 10 key and you can do a clean reinstall of 10 using the downloaded media (bootable USB creation tool most likely) or using the inbuilt 'Reset' feature in Windows 10.

Desktop: i have a windows 8 OEM key. Will that be what I use? I know to do a clean install of 8.1 oem I have to use some special install key...and then when I activate I have to put in my windows 8.0 OEM key.

Laptop: I have an m18x with the key in the uefi? Will windows 10 just use that to activate on a clean install?

I thought they would issue us with new keys..

Skeeter · 7 Jun 2015 at 09:10

lnoton said:
Once upgraded we'll get a new key. And from the OS we will be able to create installation media.

The upgrades don't get you a new key.

lnoton said:
Desktop: i have a windows 8 OEM key. Will that be what I use? I know to do a clean install of 8.1 oem I have to use some special install key...and then when I activate I have to put in my windows 8.0 OEM key.

Laptop: I have an m18x with the key in the uefi? Will windows 10 just use that to activate on a clean install?

I thought they would issue us with new keys..

Desktop, yes your 8.0 key will become a 10 key. It looks like MS have learnt from the ball ache of 8.1 upgrades so it won't be complicated like that was.

Laptop. Yes, your UEFI stored key will ve registered as a 10 key. A key no longer defines a version of Windows, it instead identifies a device and will be carried with you as you move through windows versions. This is what most users will have and is why MS refer to 'life of the device', as most people no longer have visibility of a key. You can't change the UEFI key so it has to be carried up to W10.

Rroff · 7 Jun 2015 at 09:33

EdwardTeach said:
I am having a few problems with Windows 8.1 atm so I have been thinking of doing a clean install. As windows 10 is round the corner I was wondering if I should just make the jump to w10 now. I have a few questions :

1) will the w10 technical preview convert into "nomal" w10 when it releases or will I need to do another install then?
2) how is w10 now? Any reason I would want to hold onto w8.1 for now? Is it lacking any functionality? I mainly use the pc for gaming at the moment, are there any compatibility issues?
3) where is the best place to get hold of an iso for USB install? I signed up to be part of the technical preview, but I haven't made use of that yet, would that be the best route?

C35799Gamble said:
1 - Yes it will.
2 - From what I have seen its awesome! Gaming support is great as Nvidia have already released w10 drivers, and I had no issues running w8.1 drivers a few months ago. Functionality wise it is fine - legacy parts are still there and the new stuff is currently additional to that.
3 - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso latest build as ISO

Wouldn't say it was awesome... its functional and mostly stable - should be able to game on it ok... I'm on latest fast track build and they've finally updated icons from something reminiscent of RISC OS 2 to Windows 3.1 quality*, UI is still a clunky mess lacking any kind of uniformity (other than in its bland boxiness), lacks a sense of direction and dated looking. I really want to like it as in a general sense its heading in the right direction (scalable start functionality, tablet mode, etc.) but as it is the actual implementation makes my start menu/task bar system I made in VB3 for Windows 3.1 look sophisticated.

I can't see there being a huge shift in aesthetics or sophistication of functionality between now and release.

* Not really important in a beta/test product on their own only contribute to the general seeming lack of sophistication.

Skynet5 · 7 Jun 2015 at 10:24

Skeeter said:
The upgrades don't get you a new key.

Desktop, yes your 8.0 key will become a 10 key. It looks like MS have learnt from the ball ache of 8.1 upgrades so it won't be complicated like that was.

Laptop. Yes, your UEFI stored key will ve registered as a 10 key. A key no longer defines a version of Windows, it instead identifies a device and will be carried with you as you move through windows versions. This is what most users will have and is why MS refer to 'life of the device', as most people no longer have visibility of a key. You can't change the UEFI key so it has to be carried up to W10.

That's all good then. Roll on update. I ran the tech preview on my m18x r1 and was impressed with its responsivness over w7. Felt like it was breathing life into my old mnster.

Rroff · 7 Jun 2015 at 10:44

So would a fresh install of Win 7

In all seriousness its one of the (few IMO) things Win 8/10 have going for them, they do perform well on older hardware, good multi-threading performance and handle low amounts of RAM well.

EdwardTeach · 7 Jun 2015 at 14:43

Skeeter said:
It only works if you use the Windows Update route for the Preview and install it over your existing 8.1 install, thus preserving the key so it can be upgraded.

There is no confirmation yet that you will be able to move to the final version of Windows 10 if you do a clean install of 10 Preview from an ISO, as like you say, there will be no key in it.

I have a windows 8.1 Key.

But when w10 is officially released I should be able to use my key to validate a fresh w10 install right?