Windows 10

spoffle · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:05

deuse said:
If someone was running win 8 then yes. But win 8.1 was more of a SP1. But you had to pay for 8.1 Pro lmfao.

The hell are you on about? 8.1 was free to anyone on 8. They stopped selling copies of 8 and sold copies of 8.1 in its stead to ensure people buying new licenses would be getting the most up to date version.

What is it that you're not understanding here?

bulldog147 · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:06

We’re suspending the availability of Windows 10 builds briefly while we prepare for that, and the next build that we flight to you will be delivered using the production channels. Starting tomorrow, we will also not be delivering any additional ISOs at this point as we really need Insiders to be using, stressing, and validating our distribution and upgrade processes. We’ll make ISOs available again in the future, but for now we ask you to upgrade your current build via Windows Update once the next build is released.

Specifically, this means that in the next 24hrs:

Builds 10162 and 10166 will no longer be offered over Windows Update, and whatever build you’re on will show as “up to date” if you check for new builds.
ISOs for build 10162 will be taken down from the http://insider.windows.com site and prerelease keys will no longer activate builds.

deuse · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:12

spoffle said:
The hell are you on about? 8.1 was free to anyone on 8. They stopped selling copies of 8 and sold copies of 8.1 in its stead to ensure people buying new licenses would be getting the most up to date version.

What is it that you're not understanding here?

I posted

Originally Posted by deuse View Post
Win 8 and 8.1 haven't sold. Hence Win 10 give away.

Skeeter came back with.

Skeeter said:
Windows 8.1 was free too. It seems most people have forgotten that.

Then I posted

deuse said:
If someone was running win 8 then yes. But win 8.1 was more of a SP1. But you had to pay for 8.1 Pro lmfao.

I think you've misread it.

spoffle · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:21

I don't think I have, what's the issue with having to pay for 8.1 Pro?

deuse · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:45

spoffle said:
I don't think I have, what's the issue with having to pay for 8.1 Pro?

I would re read the posts from this morning. And yes you've read it wrong. It's called "diving off the deep end"

spoffle · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:47

Are you not going to explain your issue with having to pay for 8.1?

Skeeter · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:47

Microsoft consider 8.1 to be a totally separate OS to 8, not a Service Pack.

You could go from Vista or 7 to 8 for £25.
Then from 8 to 8.1 for £0
Now you can go from 7 or 8.1 to 10 for £0

Selling upgrades for cheap/free is not a new thing, its a practice they have been doing since the release of 8.

llamadal · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:53

Ms would save millions having a single OS to service and work on, its better for everyone involved, that's one of they key reasons for a change in model.

They won't please everyone, but this move is fantastic in both short and long term.

spoffle · 14 Jul 2015 at 10:58

Skeeter said:
Microsoft consider 8.1 to be a totally separate OS to 8, not a Service Pack.

You could go from Vista or 7 to 8 for £25.
Then from 8 to 8.1 for £0
Now you can go from 7 or 8.1 to 10 for £0

Selling upgrades for cheap/free is not a new thing, its a practice they have been doing since the release of 8.

I got some of my copies of 8.1 for £15

Montala · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:04

bulldog147 said:
We’re suspending the availability of Windows 10 builds briefly while we prepare for that, and the next build that we flight to you will be delivered using the production channels. Starting tomorrow, we will also not be delivering any additional ISOs at this point as we really need Insiders to be using, stressing, and validating our distribution and upgrade processes. We’ll make ISOs available again in the future, but for now we ask you to upgrade your current build via Windows Update once the next build is released.

Specifically, this means that in the next 24hrs:

Builds 10162 and 10166 will no longer be offered over Windows Update, and whatever build you’re on will show as “up to date” if you check for new builds.
ISOs for build 10162 will be taken down from the http://insider.windows.com site and prerelease keys will no longer activate builds.

I assume that this is an official quote?

If so, what is the position for someone who joins the 'Insider Club' tomorrow, and wants to update their existing Windows 8.1 to a 10 preview version?

Will they still be able to do so OK?

If so presumably via the 'Windows Update' path, as it does say that they still want users to test the upgrade processes?

(Four questions... sorry!)

MagicBoy · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:17

deuse said:
If someone was running win 8 then yes. But win 8.1 was more of a SP1. But you had to pay for 8.1 Pro lmfao.

I disagree. 8.1 was a feature release. A service pack combines previously released updates that make Windows more reliable. Service packs may include security and performance improvements and support for new types of hardware.

The one off that was XP SP2 appears to have obliterated the proper definition of a service pack in most peoples mind.

this_is_gav · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:24

deuse said:
If someone was running win 8 then yes. But win 8.1 was more of a SP1. But you had to pay for 8.1 Pro lmfao.

You had to pay to upgrade from 8 Pro to 8.1 Pro?

Skeeter · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:28

Montala said:
I assume that this is an official quote?

If so, what is the position for someone who joins the 'Insider Club' tomorrow, and wants to update their existing Windows 8.1 to a 10 preview version?

Will they still be able to do so OK?

If so presumably via the 'Windows Update' path, as it does say that they still want users to test the upgrade processes?

(Four questions... sorry!)

If its an official quote (I've no idea will bulldog any more) then the Windows Update route will still work yes. What they are removing is ISOs and the ability to activate them, so from tomorrow you will not be able to clean install 10 Preview, but you can use the Windows Update route on a 7 or 8.1 install.

MagicBoy said:
I disagree. 8.1 was a feature release. A service pack combines previously released updates that make Windows more reliable. Service packs may include security and performance improvements and support for new types of hardware.

The one off that was XP SP2 appears to have obliterated the proper definition of a service pack in most peoples mind.

Legally and in terms of licensing 8.1 is a totally separate OS to 8. They are as (un)connected as 7 and 8.

Its a bit odd that offering a free upgrade from a x to x.1 was so universally accepted by everyone, yet going from x to y has caused massive hoo ha. Funny how the human mind works sometimes.

Skeeter · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:30

this_is_gav said:
You had to pay to upgrade from 8 Pro to 8.1 Pro?

I expect he's talking about going from 8 Home to 8.1 Pro, but is conveniently leaving that detail out in order to try and make a 'point'.

Montala · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:35

Skeeter said:
If its an official quote (I've no idea will bulldog any more) then the Windows Update route will still work yes. What they are removing is ISOs and the ability to activate them, so from tomorrow you will not be able to clean install 10 Preview, but you can use the Windows Update route on a 7 or 8.1 install.

That sounds fine then... I had considered going down the clean install route, but will try the Windows Update route for now, and then do a completely new installation early in August, once the official Windows 10 ISO's are available.

(As I mentioned before, this is for my son's laptop, and not mine!)

deuse · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:36

spoffle said:
Are you not going to explain your issue with having to pay for 8.1?

Oh for the love of a pixy god. I never said I had any issues with paying for 8.1.

But just for you as you're to lazy to read.

Originally Posted by deuse View Post
Hmmm most people know better then MS will ever know\learn.

Windows 98 sec. Peoples reaction=Hooray
Windows ME...... Peoples reaction=WTF

Windows XP.......Peoples reaction =Hooray
Windows Vista... Peoples reaction..=WTF

Windows 7.........Peoples reaction =Hooray-Epic
Windows 8.........Peoples reaction ..=WTF
Windows 8.1......Peoples reaction ..=Not sure if serous\WTF\Fail

See a pattern here people
Now MS have copied apple and they are so worried that they're giving it away lol.

deuse said:
Win 8 and 8.1 haven't sold. Hence Win 10 give away. Win 7 still has 60% of market share.
Windows 8 is\was 2.9% and 8.1 is 13.2%

MS will never learn.

Now do you get it? You misread it. As I've said read the posts from this morn.
And MS think they have problems

deuse · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:40

this_is_gav said:
You had to pay to upgrade from 8 Pro to 8.1 Pro?

OMFG another one.

Originally Posted by deuse View Post
If someone was running win 8 then yes. But win 8.1 was more of a SP1. But you had to pay for 8.1 Pro lmfao.

It was an answer to someone else saying that if you have win 8 then 8.1 was free. BUT to upgrade to 8.1 pro wasn't.

Going for a lay down.

mctiny · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:43

bulldog147 said:
Windows Insiders who have been using the preview releases of the operating system should be the first to get the RTM build tomorrow on the fast ring.

Sauce?

or are you a secret Microsoft employee?

Oh Ed not again. · 14 Jul 2015 at 11:54

Better get this VM built then.

Skeeter · 14 Jul 2015 at 12:12

deuse said:
Oh for the love of a pixy god. I never said I had any issues with paying for 8.1.

So what did you mean by this then?

deuse said:
If someone was running win 8 then yes. But win 8.1 was more of a SP1. But you had to pay for 8.1 Pro lmfao.