Windows 10

opethdisciple · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:00

mctiny said:
I imagine that they will convert the win 7/8/8.1 key to win 10, rendering the key unusable with anything other than win 10...but only in the first year, after that I imagine you'll have to pay...

So unless people convert their old keys, they'll lose them...

I wonder if windows 7/8/8.1 will suddenly be cheaper this year, so people buy it really cheap just to convert to win 10?

I'm curious how this will work with MSDN keys...

But my question is, if you dont grab the iso within the first year, even if you installed Win 10 and used a preexisting 7/8 key then did a reformat after the one year period, you would presumably have to pay?

Unless you have a copy of the original iso.

Glaucus · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:01

Why on earth would you think that.

andy_mk3 · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:04

My laptop has just taken like 2 hours to do an update, it's not even a new build, still 10049!

gareth170 · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:22

opethdisciple said:
But my question is, if you dont grab the iso within the first year, even if you installed Win 10 and used a preexisting 7/8 key then did a reformat after the one year period, you would presumably have to pay?

Unless you have a copy of the original iso.

the free upgrade is via windows updates

MS hasn't said they'll be releasing a iso.

but either way, i get what you mean.. i'm guessing/hoping they'll put a backup tool or tool to make a win10 media within windows

Simian · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:22

Thought 10049 was the latest!?!?...

Mine took about 10 hours!! I was the victim of the 'All Language Pack' bug which installs Every conceivable language pack rather than just English!!

Causes 2 things (that are noticeable) 1) It takes upward of 8 hours to install, 2) Boot time (even with Fastboot ticked) takes 10 minutes!

Uninstall all the extra languages (I don't think I'll need 8 Chinese variants!!) and boot time is back to a respectable 45 seconds!

andy_mk3 · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:27

Simian said:
Thought 10049 was the latest!?!?...

Mine took about 10 hours!! I was the victim of the 'All Language Pack' bug which installs Every conceivable language pack rather than just English!!

Causes 2 things (that are noticeable) 1) It takes upward of 8 hours to install, 2) Boot time (even with Fastboot ticked) takes 10 minutes!

Uninstall all the extra languages (I don't think I'll need 8 Chinese variants!!) and boot time is back to a respectable 45 seconds!

If that was in reply to me, then I was already on build 10049, it took an absolute age to do an update to what I assumed would be a new build, but nope!

opethdisciple · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:53

Glaucus said:
Why on earth would you think that.

You installed Win 10, the free upgrade window has elapsed, and you want to do a reformat. Then what?

Time to buy a license? :confused:

Glaucus · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:57

Then you install it.

You won't have to buy it.

It's like saying those of us who got win8 for £25 would have to rebuy as there was no media.

opethdisciple · 9 Apr 2015 at 21:59

Glaucus said:
Then you install it.

You won't have to buy it.

It's like saying those of us who got win8 for £25 would have to rebuy as there was no media.

Where do you get the media from?

Your £25 bought you physical media surely?

Glaucus · 9 Apr 2015 at 22:38

opethdisciple said:
Where do you get the media from?

Your £25 bought you physical media surely?

Ms and no, no physical media.

This really is a non issue and bizarre you even think it is going to be.

GAM8LE · 9 Apr 2015 at 22:42

May well be the case windows 10 will accept w8.1 keys. So if you do a fresh install via upgrade, get yourself an iso of release w10 you can reformat and just use that. If you ever need to reformat that is

Infidelus · 9 Apr 2015 at 22:43

Glaucus said:
Ms and no, no physical media.

This really is a non issue and bizarre you even think it is going to be.

No physical media, however there was an ISO

I agree though, can't see it being an issue. It'll be the same as the MCE addon that was offered free with Windows 8. You had to activate it before a certain date. As long as you did that, you could reinstall to your heart's content and it'd continue working.

Glaucus · 9 Apr 2015 at 22:46

Infidelus said:
No physical media, however there was an ISO

I agree though, can't see it being an issue. It'll be the same as the MCE addon that was offered free with Windows 8. You had to activate it before a certain date. As long as you did that, you could reinstall to your heart's content and it'd continue working.

There wasn't an ISO to begin with, it was that silly windows update program.

Infidelus · 9 Apr 2015 at 23:17

Glaucus said:
There wasn't an ISO to begin with, it was that silly windows update program.

There was. I bought Win 8 on day 1 and grabbed the ISO

Skeeter · 9 Apr 2015 at 23:24

You can download Windows 8.1 installations direct from Microsoft. Why would they not do that for 10?

Your paying for the key, not the physical disk with the installation files on it.

opethdisciple · 9 Apr 2015 at 23:47

Skeeter said:
You can download Windows 8.1 installations direct from Microsoft. Why would they not do that for 10?

Your paying for the key, not the physical disk with the installation files on it.

So what your saying is, after the one year free upgrade, if you need to reformat, you can just download the files form MS and use Win7/Win8 key?

I don't think that's how it works. After year 1, you will have to pay.

C64 · 10 Apr 2015 at 00:49

looks nasty like it's xbox one not pc

MagicBoy · 10 Apr 2015 at 18:55

Thanks for that detailed and insightful update.

Skeeter · 10 Apr 2015 at 22:23

opethdisciple said:
So what your saying is, after the one year free upgrade, if you need to reformat, you can just download the files form MS and use Win7/Win8 key?

I don't think that's how it works. After year 1, you will have to pay.

The details aren't confirmed yet. But your suggestion would require MS to offer people a downgrade option after a year.

My understanding (not confirmed) is that your W7/8/8.1 key will become a valid W10 key once you upgrade, and will stay that way. How you reformat/reinstall or whatever from then on is irrelevant. My Windows 7 keys are all "upgrade" keys that I have used on clean installs tens of times.

mctiny · 10 Apr 2015 at 23:14

Skeeter said:
The details aren't confirmed yet. But your suggestion would require MS to offer people a downgrade option after a year.

My understanding (not confirmed) is that your W7/8/8.1 key will become a valid W10 key once you upgrade, and will stay that way. How you reformat/reinstall or whatever from then on is irrelevant. My Windows 7 keys are all "upgrade" keys that I have used on clean installs tens of times.

This is my understanding as well, in that any key that is "upgraded" cannot be used on a previous OS...

My only concern is how it works with MSDN keys...