Woolwich serious incident

deuse said:
Hello why would them pair need an appeal? it's 100% true they did it so it's 100% they should hang or bullet to the head.

At least we should bring back hard labour for this kind of scum.
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Ah, so appeals aren't allowed for those cases where you're certain that they committed the crime? Does this rely on a new standard of proof that has hitherto been unrecognised by the criminal system? Over the years there have been many people convicted and subsequently found not guilty or had their convictions quashed as unsafe - I'm not suggesting that is the case here and I'd probably even agree that we've got better at determining guilt but as a matter of principle it's a very dangerous road to go down.

What you're proposing is that you dispense with due process where you think it's beyond question the crime was committed by the defendants. If you're going there then why stop at beyond question, why not remove the right to appeal from those you just don't particularly like? Justice should be fair and open to all or it's not really worthy of the name. This will mean that some people play the system for want of a better phrase but I think the overall benefit to having a fair system (or as fair as it can be) is worth dealing with that small percentage - obviously you try to minimise it as far as possible but sometimes you cannot eradicate problems without creating bigger ones via the law of unintended consequences.

The thing with the death penalty is that it's pretty terminal in all cases where it's carried out effectively, it allows no room for error - "whoopsie, we slipped up and executed the wrong person" doesn't allow you to make any remedy apart from a posthumous pardon. Releasing someone after years in jail if their conviction is overturned doesn't allow for full restitution either but it's a whole lot better and easier to make some reparations.

Hard labour is broadly covered in the second part of my post you replied to - it doesn't really do any good for any of the parties involved but if the punitive measures are what society wants and is prepared to pay for then maybe that's what should be instituted as a democratic choice.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Ah, so appeals aren't allowed for those cases where you're certain that they committed the crime.
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This thread is about the scum that killed the army guy. They admitted doing it,people saw them doing it ect.

Why would you need a appeal? now don't forget what this thread is about.
Maybe you would like to start a new thread with voting about the death penalty?
 
grumpysculler said:
And then we could charge the family for the bullet.
Hang on. No. We aren't China.

Perhaps we should also bring back dunking for those accused of witchcraft?
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But the family and us are paying for their stay in prison, so may as well make it a 45p(bullet) instead of a million or two ;)

grumpysculler said:
Of course, that will be why they pleaded not guilty.
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You never saw the video were they said they did it and why?
You know the one were he has a knife in his hand covered in blood. Did you miss it?
 
I'm all for human rights and believe it has to be preserved but there also has to be exceptions were human rights are forfeited for extreme acts such as these two scum bags. just a shame they didn't both get whole life sentences.
 
deuse said:
But the family and us are paying for their stay in prison, so may as well make it a 45p(bullet) instead of a million or two ;)



You never saw the video were they said they did it and why?
You know the one were he has a knife in his hand covered in blood. Did you miss it?
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You should try reading/viewing information presented instead of blithely dismissing it without doing so. You'll look at lot less silly that way.
 
"Asked what should happen to him after the trial,
he claimed he should be “ransomed back to the Mujahideen, freed to an Islamic state or killed."


That's a shame, we could have made some money out of him :(
($3 Trillion would even us up I reckon)

Hopefully the EU or Amnesty will step in over the 'life term' issue and he will have his sentence reduced to community service, (back in Woolich, obviously).

Apparently he wasn't hacking the guys head off, he was going for the jugular, reasoning that that was the best way to kill any animal - a sort of Halal murder?
I can't believe we don't make allowances for this, whatever happened to tolerance.
 
Having a meticulous process to ensure a thorough (and thus fair) trial is infinitely preferable to a haphazard but cheap system that will falsely convict innocent people (more than the current rate, anyhow).

I am well prepared to afford a few wackjobs like this the right to try and appeal their case in favour of keeping that system for those who really need it.
 
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Michael Adebowale, who was given a 45-year prison sentence for the murder of soldier Lee Rigby, has been given permission to appeal against his sentence.

Adebowlae, 22, was convicted of killing Fusilier Rigby in Woolwich, south-east London on 22 May last year.

He was convicted alongside fellow Islamic extremist Michael Adebolajo.

A full appeal hearing in front of three judges will take place at a later date, a spokesman for the judiciary said.
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Hopefully the appeal will result in an increased term!
 
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