Woolwich serious incident

Justice has been served, I really thought that these guys would find some sort of loophole that would get them off with "light" sentences, Death penalty would be doing them a favour, Remember they expected to be Martyred by the police so the death penalty will be doing exactly what they want.
 
As long as they aren't given a playstation and TV, a fags allowance and three nice meals a day then I'll gladly pay for them to stay inside and regularly get the **** kicked out of them for the next 40 years. Couple of near death injuries would be quite appropriate too. :D
 
Yeah you really don't want them to be murdered in prison because then there will be another court case and someone will be after some public money in compensation.
 
Colbaker said:
Justice has been served, I really thought that these guys would find some sort of loophole that would get them off with "light" sentences, Death penalty would be doing them a favour, Remember they expected to be Martyred by the police so the death penalty will be doing exactly what they want.
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This 100%, but prison should be hash. No comforts at all. Never see a TV or radio ever again and not allowed any books, even that one :mad:
 
Fuzz said:
As long as they aren't given a playstation and TV, a fags allowance and three nice meals a day then I'll gladly pay for them to stay inside and regularly get the **** kicked out of them for the next 40 years. Couple of near death injuries would be quite appropriate too. :D
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I have often felt that those who we really do not wish to see again should have their "Care and Welfare" subcontracted abroad. Say the DPRK! I am sure that a mutually advantageous deal could be struck! (Workers for the fields and all that! :D)
 
deuse said:
That's the yank way. The good old UK was trail-guilty then after a few days-hanged.
Or use a bullet as they only cost about 45p. Problem solved :)
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In the highly unlikely event that we did reintroduce the death penalty the most probable outcome is that we'd have a similar system to the Americans with respect to appeals. You're also comparing a 1940s Britain with a 2014 America, they've had a long time to refine their process - whether you think it's an improvement or not is open for discussion but you're not comparing like with like.

robgmun said:
This 100%, but prison should be hash. No comforts at all. Never see a TV or radio ever again and not allowed any books, even that one :mad:
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Much as it irks some people to think that prisoners are "living in luxury" there's a practical reason for giving them some level of entertainment/comfort - it prevents trouble but if for ideological reasons you wish to see all that withdrawn then you'd have to accept it will cost more to police that system. Maybe it shouldn't come down to money but on some level it does so if you want a punitive response for whatever reason then it costs the taxpayer extra, that might be acceptable to you and if so then at least you recognise the consequences of the choice.

It's also worth noting that harshness of regime has no proven link to reduction in recidivism, in fact studies tends to show the counter - the Scandinavian systems which are generally felt to be less harsh but more directed towards rehabilitation show much reduced recidivism. However such an approach would require a fair degree of change within our judicial system and that's probably not going to be popular with those who instinctively feel that harshness = effectiveness. You could argue that it's a bit pointless reducing the desire to commit crime in someone who is never going to be released but that would be to forget that crime is still possible on the inside of a prison as well albeit they're already incarcerated so it's not as if they're likely to escape being caught for their crime.
 
Sliver said:
I agree that they deserve death, but giving it to them just makes them martyrs, which is what they want and such martyrdom would only serve to inspire others to follow in their footsteps.

As a taxpayer, I don't mind a few of my pennies going toward keeping them in jail for life.
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If it's a full life tariff with no prospect of release I think we miss the opportunity of "hard labour". They should spend the rest of their lives in a chain gang spending one day digging a very deep hole in a courtyard and then the next day filling it in again, rinse and repeat with absolutely no point or feeling of accomplishment.
 
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semi-pro waster said:
In the highly unlikely event that we did reintroduce the death penalty the most probable outcome is that we'd have a similar system to the Americans with respect to appeals.
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Hello why would them pair need an appeal? it's 100% true they did it so it's 100% they should hang or bullet to the head.

At least we should bring back hard labour for this kind of scum.
 
semi-pro waster said:
In the highly unlikely event that we did reintroduce the death penalty the most probable outcome is that we'd have a similar system to the Americans with respect to appeals. You're also comparing a 1940s Britain with a 2014 America, they've had a long time to refine their process - whether you think it's an improvement or not is open for discussion but you're not comparing like with like.

Much as it irks some people to think that prisoners are "living in luxury" there's a practical reason for giving them some level of entertainment/comfort - it prevents trouble but if for ideological reasons you wish to see all that withdrawn then you'd have to accept it will cost more to police that system. Maybe it shouldn't come down to money but on some level it does so if you want a punitive response for whatever reason then it costs the taxpayer extra, that might be acceptable to you and if so then at least you recognise the consequences of the choice.

It's also worth noting that harshness of regime has no proven link to reduction in recidivism, in fact studies tends to show the counter - the Scandinavian systems which are generally felt to be less harsh but more directed towards rehabilitation show much reduced recidivism. However such an approach would require a fair degree of change within our judicial system and that's probably not going to be popular with those who instinctively feel that harshness = effectiveness. You could argue that it's a bit pointless reducing the desire to commit crime in someone who is never going to be released but that would be to forget that crime is still possible on the inside of a prison as well albeit they're already incarcerated so it's not as if they're likely to escape being caught for their crime.
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A very well written & factually sound post.

It will get ignored by your target audience.

Regarding the points on them deserving death, personally - I don't think we have any political or social institutions worthy of the trust required to carry out whatever action is required to put them to death.

Amazing how people who normally dislike the idea of a state/authoritarianism seem to have no problem giving the state the mandate to kill prisoners.
 
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