Woolwich serious incident

One thing I have yet to comprehend is the endgame for these extremist actions.
I don't see the goal.

When the IRA were blowing things up they in some form claimed it was to free Ireland.

Stabbing a squaddie to death on the street outside an army camp is an atrocious crime, as it would be anywhere, or if anyone had been killed in similar circumstances, but I don't actually see what it achieves.
There will be no mass terror form this action.
There will be no change in governmental policy from this action.
In effect there really won't be any great change for the public, bar a little increased personal security for those concerned.
How does this further any religious belief or action?
How does this ever win?

Death By a Thousand Cuts, would probably be the only way.

The endgame is our end, so it could possibly be perpetual, unless we annihilate them, which would only validate the issue or we simply stick to our values and wait it out.

They desire a response, don't give them one, the longer we deem them unworthy, the less relevant it becomes for newer Islamic generations.

This all lies on governments however, but we aren't a democracy for nothing.

Liberal (If we really need to term it), yes, but we tried it the conservative way and it simply got worse, fancy that.
 
This is a murder and should be treated as such, the circus around this will be utterly ridiculous. I treat everyone as an individual because this is how I expect to be treated. Grouping anyone into mass stereotypes is a huge recipe for disaster. Some people will see the simple truth of this situation, while others use it to position themselves and boost their ego.

My heart goes out to the victims family who will no doubt be plastered over the tabloids in a few hours.
 
Tell you what, exactly?


Oh sorry you're having a memory relapse but here you go

Originally Posted by Gilly
It was a Vauxhall they were driving. Get out there and start revenge attacking Vauxhall drivers :mad:

[edit]Oh, is that not how it works? Should it be green cars? It's as relevant as the colour of their skin.


You was asking(see above) or was you just being flippant :)
 
I'm not quite sure what is confusing about their being a Somali/muslim community in that area?

Why is there a Somali/Muslim community in London? If they want to live in this country, why don't they integrate themselves within the native culture? Why do they insist on segregating themselves in their own "communities"?

The country is ruined because of this ridiculous level of immigration.
 
Get rid of the lot of them

Who, exactly?

All foreigners? How far back do you go?

Why is there a Somali/Muslim community in London? If they want to live in this country, why don't they integrate themselves within the native culture? Why do they insist on segregating themselves in their own "communities"?

The country is ruined because of this ridiculous level of immigration.
Why is there a British ex-pat community in most countries we have presence?

Oh sorry you're having a memory relapse but here you go

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You was asking(see above) or was you just being flippant :)
I was demonstrating, rather clearly I thought, that the colour of their skin had sod all to do with anything.
 
Get rid of the lot of them as they shouldnt be here anyhow as all they do is leach off the government. I wonder if i went to Pakistan would i get a free money...would i ****.

The only way forward is get rid of the ****ing lot of em, There all Parasites anyhow and do nothing for this country as a whole except take from it.

Enoch Powell was right in what he said in his infamous speech.
The rivers will run red if you open the floodgates.

Not only that England is not England anymore its such a shame that a great country is ruined by foreigners and heavy immigration that do nothing but leech.....

So now every Muslim in the country is on benefits?

One of mine is a banker, so earns his keep pretty well, but then you'd probably argue he should be deported for being a banker.
 
Has this soldier ever done tours? Has he even completed his army training? Are we absolutely sure even that he's a soldier? Has he ever done tours in Somalia, if that is where they are from?

Although it has been mentioned a lot his barracks have not confirmed he was from there.

Does it really matter if this particular soldier has done tours? He is a member of the opposing Army. (as per news reports)

Somalia is an ally of Afghanistan and Iraq. Did the Afghans attack the United Kingdom at the time we entered Afghanistan or did we go in to support our ally the US?
 
Devil’s advocate on

So blowing up opposing fighters to smithereens in their home lands is OK but when these same opposing fighters bring the fight to our land it's bad? (Like in any war, you attack us, we attack you)

The two men killed a solider right, no innocent civilians?

I think you have a skewed view of how we conduct business in Afghanistan. For one, if someone is suspected of being Taliban, we don't indiscriminately hack them to death.
 
Why is there a Somali/Muslim community in London? If they want to live in this country, why don't they integrate themselves within the native culture? Why do they insist on segregating themselves in their own "communities"?

The country is ruined because of this ridiculous level of immigration.

There is a strong British community in a lot of countries the world over, I find passing negative comments about communities doing this in Britain very hypocritical.
 
Devil’s advocate on

So blowing up opposing fighters to smithereens in their home lands is OK but when these same opposing fighters bring the fight to our land it's bad? (Like in any war, you attack us, we attack you)

The two men killed a solider right, no innocent civilians?

Valid and serious point. It was interesting that they never hurt the woman trying to shield the man they attacked and never showed any violence to any of the other members of the public or the normal police. People were just walking around and talking to them. Charging the armed police with weapons held aloft was clearly just to get shot and killed by them.
 
This is what happens when you allow these foreigners into this country.

It's all going to kick off soon.

Yeah and if we shut the borders, like so many BNP and UKIP supporters seems to think is the best idea, the NHS would fail within days.

Utterly retarded stance on immigration imo.
 
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