Woolwich serious incident

StriderX · 22 May 2013 at 20:15

This issue is in terms of current societal standards old hat, i am now concerned about any "official" terrorist action being either moved around or moving forward as a result of this display.

I don't just mean the UK either, this situation can no longer be relevant to any single nation.

pioneer2000 · 22 May 2013 at 20:16

Gilly said:
Who, exactly?

All foreigners? How far back do you go?

Why is there a British ex-pat community in most countries we have presence?

I was demonstrating, rather clearly I thought, that the colour of their skin had sod all to do with anything.

That's not the same now is it. It's not even on the same scale.

Last time I checked, ex-pats don't contribute to a massive proportion of the violent crime either.

leaskovski · 22 May 2013 at 20:16

The statement made my the attacker should never had been broadcasted. Its doing the a favour.

krooton · 22 May 2013 at 20:16

Captain Planet said:
I think you have a skewed view of how we conduct business in Afghanistan. For one, if someone is suspected of being Taliban, we don't indiscriminately hack them to death.

Religious extremists have severely warped the intention of religious texts, is it too much to assume they wouldn't do the same with the rules of engagement in war-time?

Not justifying it in any way, just saying it would be pretty easy for these crazies to justify it to themselves.

Neil79 · 22 May 2013 at 20:16

James J said:
Yeah and if we shut the borders, like so many BNP and UKIP supporters seems to think is the best idea, the NHS would fail within days.

Utterly retarded stance on immigration imo.

That would fall in line of the " What if " argument, If only I could predict events that might happen

Tummy · 22 May 2013 at 20:16

Jason2 said:
This is what happens when you allow these foreigners into this country.

It's all going to kick off soon.

What an utterly stupid comment.

Craterloads · 22 May 2013 at 20:17

Captain Planet said:
I think you have a skewed view of how we conduct business in Afghanistan. For one, if someone is suspected of being Taliban, we don't indiscriminately hack them to death.

No, they are bombed from the air and pretty much anybody else acceptable collateral damage.

Gilly · 22 May 2013 at 20:17

Craterloads said:
Does it really matter if this particular soldier has done tours? He is a member of the opposing Army. (as per news reports)

I'm just trying to guage what is 'allowed'.

Should cadets be targets for any foreign soldiers that have ever been invaded/attacked by the UK then?

Craterloads said:
Somalia is an ally of Afghanistan and Iraq. Did the Afghans attack the United Kingdom at the time we entered Afghanistan or did we go in to support our ally the US?

Somalia is a cesspool of pirates and fugitives.

Out of interest, how many Somalians went to Irag or Afghanistan when 'we' made our presence their felt?

I'm not sure what relevance all this has, mind.

dowie · 22 May 2013 at 20:17

James J said:
Problem is, terrorism is similar to serious illness. You see the signs but always think "it'll never happen to me" or simply pass it off as "having an off day". If you had a friend who had some strong beliefs and said he'd hurt people etc, would anyone actually believe it and do something about it? I'd doubt anyone would tackle it head on, as most people just want the quiet life.

It's more than that though, it's not just the people who actually go and do something but the seeming ambivalence towards extremists in general. Mosques allowing in preachers of hate etc... Few thousand bearded idiots outside google hq as a result of a naff film about Mohammed. We get all the usual 'it's only a minority' but it's not all that small a minority that actually do have some sympathy towards guys like this and who, left unchecked by the rest, are going to keep on producing the occasional outliers who actually do something physical.

V3teran · 22 May 2013 at 20:17

Gilly said:
Who, exactly?

All foreigners? How far back do you go?

Well, fair to say I didn't expect that response! - Gilly

elmarko · 22 May 2013 at 20:18

Gilly said:
Has this soldier ever done tours? Has he even completed his army training? Are we absolutely sure even that he's a soldier? Has he ever done tours in Somalia, if that is where they are from?

Although it has been mentioned a lot his barracks have not confirmed he was from there.

Armed is armed?

A man with an AK47 is a danger to colleagues on the ground. An unarmed man walking home from a day out is not.

Just out of curiosity, but when we use UAVs to take out known insurgents, do we only attack them if they are armed at the time (or is the fact they are known militants enough to warrant a strike)?.

Not that I think it excuses anything, our actions globally are terrible - as is the response to them.

Both groups are in the wrong (obviously).

V3teran said:
All Pakistani Muslims, get rid of the lot of them even the good ones but its the only way forward. And while your at it Nuke there country from the Globe. Ever since the Crusades they have been nothing but scum polluting everything and everyplace they occupy.

Lol.

You need medical help.

UncleRuckus · 22 May 2013 at 20:18

krooton said:
It's alright, I've personally had more issues with native white chavs than any non-white foreigners.

In fact, I'm a foreigner myself! And I have a French friend! AND A SECOND GENERATION VIETNAMESE MATE!!! OH NOES!11111

OH NOES!!!! I'm very fond of a certain Chinese poster on these boards too and also my Thai neighbour who BRINGS ME OVER THAI COOKING how dare she! :mad:

RoboCod · 22 May 2013 at 20:19

krooton said:
Religious extremists have severely warped the intention of religious texts, is it too much to assume they wouldn't do the same with the rules of engagement in war-time?

Not justifying it in any way, just saying it would be pretty easy for these crazies to justify it to themselves.

Agreed, but "craterloads" is attempting to play devils advocate and some how trying to justify it to everyone else?

Gilly · 22 May 2013 at 20:19

pioneer2000 said:
That's not the same now is it. It's not even on the same scale.

Last time I checked, ex-pats don't contribute to a massive proportion of the violent crime either.

I haven't ever checked, but I don't believe that is at all relevant anyway.

Abraxaz1 · 22 May 2013 at 20:19

Expect landslide votes for UKip/bnp.
Gotta wonder if the Muslim council is taking the ****, I thought they were against extremist yet Thur never seem to do anything about the bad apples in there fold

Janesy B · 22 May 2013 at 20:19

pioneer2000 said:
That's not the same now is it. It's not even on the same scale.

Last time I checked, ex-pats don't contribute to a massive proportion of the violent crime either.

Yes totally. That's why Marbella wasn't nicknamed Costa Del Crime because loads of violent British criminals didn't flee there to take advantage of the fact there wasn't an extradition treaty in place.

Suarez7 · 22 May 2013 at 20:19

regulus said:
Bud, I'm 6'2 and been in the gym and martial arts most of my adult life. If a 13yo girl pulls a knife on me, I turn around and leg it. Only on the big screen do normal people take on machete wielding maniacs.

Posts like this make me rofl, guys I go to the gym and I did some martial arts when I was a kid but I still like telling people I do it now, also needed to mention my height as it makes all the difference.

RoboCod · 22 May 2013 at 20:19

Craterloads said:
No, they are bombed from the air and pretty much anybody else acceptable collateral damage.

Oh I see! You're an expert. Well, I should just stop right there, pack my bags and come home. My work is done.

James J · 22 May 2013 at 20:20

Neil79 said:
That would fall in line of the " What if " argument, If only I could predict events that might happen

I've worked in 4 different hospitals and most clinical staff I've had dealings with have been indian, pakistani, bangladeshi, filipino and sub sahara african. All of them have excelled at their jobs and white british doctors in particular are in a serious minority pretty much everywhere.

Of course its a "what if" argument, yet its not that far off the truth if we simply sent everyone "home" lol.

StriderX · 22 May 2013 at 20:20

leaskovski said:
The statement made my the attacker should never had been broadcasted. Its doing the a favour.

Actually if you realise the last part, there was a subtle message for us, not simply other people with similar ideals.

The issue with this incident is that it is oddly civil (obviously not civil, but relevant) for a terrorist act, in the facts that it was a soldier and the comment was aimed not simply to recruit more terrorists.

There is a ulterior motive here, a little beyond simple run/hit tactics.