World Cup 2010 - GROUP C (England, USA, Algeria, Slovenia) **spoilers**

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Gustov said:
I detect huge amounts of sarcasm.

That game should have been 3/4-0 at least

Will performances like that we CAN trouble any team. We passed the ball well, defended well and gave the opponents no time on the ball.
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Okay. :)

You beat Slovenia 1-0, congratulations, I hope you don't meet a team that are anything above average in the next round because with a performance like THAT you won't last long. Slovenia had several breaks that any half decent team would have capitalised on. England are absolutely kidding themselves if they think today was some kind of godly performance that left the country in awe because to tell you the truth I fell asleep during several points, the first game I've done that in so far, and I watched Greece V Nigeria!

Quite ironic how everyone was bigging up Rooney and all he actually did the entire game was scuff a shot against the post which was slightly brushed by the keeper's fingers. He made a clearance and played a couple of passes between him and Gerrard that never materialised into anything. Milner, Ashley Cole and Upson were the best players and apart from Cole the other two are somewhat undesirable amongst England fans.
 
Pleased because you could see the confidence the players had with each other.

Best thing realy, when they hit the purple patch all those simple passes to each other became confident flicks, reverse passes, running off the ball expecting it to come back ect ect.

Nothing but good in that. The only confusion i have, why are people raving about james milner, to me he looked devoid of idea of what to do with the ball nearly everytime he had it. Most of time it was chucking it back to johnson backing up square.

He's better than that though, seen it for villa, he's normaly very decisive.. confidence maybe:/
 
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Didn't see the 1st 65 mins but the last 25 were ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ fest compared to Argentina v Greece last night.

Do you think you'll get Germany in the next round?

I'm actually glad England are in the next round makes the competition interesting. Least until the weekend ;)

I think the luck of the Irish should be renamed the luck of the English from now on ;)
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
Okay. :)

Slovenia had several breaks that any half decent team would have capitalised on.
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No they didn't, they had what 2 counter attacks?

K1LLSW1TCH said:
England are absolutely kidding themselves if they think today was some kind of godly performance
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No one is saying it was, but it was a damn site better than the previous 2 games.

K1LLSW1TCH said:
Quite ironic how everyone was bigging up Rooney and all he actually did the entire game was scuff a shot against the post which was slightly brushed by the keeper's fingers.
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It was a great save and the shot would have gone in otherwise.

Must ask, where are you from? :)
 
They could have scored 3 times in that one passage where Terry jumped headfirst into the ground, if that was Argentina then I doubt England would have been so fortunate. The Slovenians were absolutely dire, a 1-0 win is not convincing, it's a team England should absolutely thump, not a team they should barely beat. Fans must be quick to forget, the first two games people are going crazy because of the poor, poor performances and then an improvement to beat a poor Slovenian side 1-0 and everyone is all happy and cheery again, I don't get it.

It's not hard to improve on ****.

And where I'm from has little relevance because I don't have any massive ties to any team in the World Cup, I have some German descendants but I wouldn't call myself a die hard Germany fan. I wanted England to do well today and they left me disappointed. I'm not saying England were crap, but what I am saying is that this 1-0 is not enough, and a repeat performance of that quality will not be enough to see off the tougher teams.
 
drunkenmaster said:
You do realise that, by and large Slovenia did what Greece did, prayed USA would draw and didn't really do much of anything. They rarely attacked in numbers, sat back and are a pretty awful team.

The biggest difference between this game and Algeria's, was pace, Algeria have no real quality, but they have pace. Their final ball, and shooting, is basically appauling, but they troubled us simply by running hard up and down the wings, pushing us back. That just didn't happen today, we weren't constantly pegged back.

The biggest problem is normally Gerrards wandering, and his and Barrys, and Johnsons awful defensive cover/positioning/work. The biggest difference was the other team barely tried.

England were massively better, but not outstanding, the goal, lets be honest, a better keeper would have saved, though had it beein 0-0 I'm pretty sure we'd have found another goal anyway.

We're also forgetting the fact that Johnson should have been on a yellow in the first 15 mins, and they dived outside(or was it inside) the box trying to get something, Johnson defensively was awful again, constantly being passed around, if Slovenia had any quality at all they'd have punished his mistakes time and time again.

Barry made an untold number of errors from the walking slowly with the ball and somehow miscontrolling it which led directly to a chance, to fouling quite a lot and rarely being helpful defensively.

We played one of the worst teams at the tournament, and should really have walked out 4/5-0, yet we scored a single goal that should have been saved.

I'm yet to be truly optimistic, the USA beat us in the group and from the highlights, had an awesome match and I couldn't understand how they weren't 5-0 up at half time alone.

last 16 was the bare minimum most people though we'd get before the tournament, its not suddenly an unbelievable team because people over reacted and panicked and though the competition was over.

Slovenia are very very poor, we beat them, I'll be happy if we beat a decent football team, we've not come close yet.
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I agree with you everything you said there.

We did well this time round but there's no telling how we'll do in our next game while we are playing so inconsistent.

Once thing is for sure, Joe Cole wasn't really the amazing player we thought he'd be when on the pitch - I can actually now see why Capello felt the need to bench him. Rooney looked like he is sporting some kind of injury or mental block in the game and Barry's play is becoming more of a liability.

Trouble is now we have 'won' a game I see Capello being even more stubborn now as this is just ammunition for not wanting to make any formation changes further still nor any line-up changes - which I think is important if we want to improve further.
 
Better but still not great, I thought Milner was shocking for the first 20 minutes and I thought Barry was shocking through out, the amount of times he gives the ball away for a professional footballer is diabolical.

It's a shame we only have Carrick to replace him with :/
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
They could have scored 3 times in that one passage where Terry jumped headfirst into the ground, if that was Argentina then I doubt England would have been so fortunate.
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You get one goal per passage of play regardless of how many attempts there were. Quite a stupid statement to make on your behalf :p

K1LLSW1TCH said:
The Slovenians were absolutely dire, a 1-0 win is not convincing, it's a team England should absolutely thump, not a team they should barely beat.
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We did thump them, but unfortunately we didn't score more than the 1 goal, it wasn't as if England were poor and 'barely' won now is it? You make it sound as if we struggled.

K1LLSW1TCH said:
Fans must be quick to forget, the first two games people are going crazy because of the poor, poor performances and then an improvement to beat a poor Slovenian side 1-0 and everyone is all happy and cheery again, I don't get it.
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It's not rocket science, people are currently happy because we won and performed well tonight.

K1LLSW1TCH said:
A repeat performance of that quality will not be enough to see off the tougher teams.
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You might be surprised.
 
A much improved performance but still not brilliant. Fortunately, unlike Spain, Germany and France we still haven't lost, and the latter aren't even in the tournament.

Finishing 2nd wasn't ideal, but in my experience the England players usually perform better against top sides who actually want to come out and play football, historically we have been rubbish and struggled against poorer sides because they shut up shop, and this World Cup has done nothing to suggest otherwise.

People say that should we play Germany, who lets not forget haven't qualified yet we will be out in the last 16. But, with it being Germany, I would bet our performance is 10x better.
 
Gustov said:
Probably the people who only watch football when the World Cup is on. Of course there were mistakes, you can always make improvements.
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Which is exactly what people are saying - there are plenty of improvements to be made based on tonights performance - it was better than before, it was good but a poor Slovenia flattered us slightly and let us get away with some silly mistakes. If we performed the same on Sunday, it will be a much tougher game and it might not be enough unless we can step it up again.

edit - oh and one of the people was Harry Redknapp, I expect he watches football outside the WC, though his being an utter spanner could mitigate that I suppose :p
 
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I'm still really undecided on Milner, he has flashes of quality but other times looks absolutely terrible and gives the ball away far too easy.

Barry was once again terrible, wish Hargreaves was fit :(
 
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