World first QD-OLED monitor from Dell and Samsung (34 inch Ultrawide 175hz)

TNA · 25 Mar 2022 at 19:40

mrk said:
Oh if I am watching stuff then am sat back so probably 2-3 feet away max. I'm only around 1-2 foot away if watching youtube or editing or posting etc.

Cool. Yeah, I sit back and recline on my chair when watching, but when playing or browsing typically about 1 foot away and that means seeing the extra clarity and sharpness of extra pixels, hence why I could not go back to 1440p. Nothing to do with snobbery

Based on everything I have seen and heard I am 75% confident I will be fine and be blown away with this monitor.

Nexus18 said:
Haha I remember that! Wonder where he is lately, guessing with not being able to get ampere due to stock and prices, it has left him a bit miserable

Just over 2 feet viewing distance.

That's why I said you might find it of as you were using 27" 4k, which has a stupidly high ppi.

Given this is a much wider display, you should be sitting a bit further back to really enjoy the extra size/wideness so that along with no matte coating might counteract the lesser res/ppi.

I'm the same, more than 120 nits and it kills my eyes, people are always amazed at how "dull" my display looks when they first see it but once they get used to it, they prefer it

Haha, yea. I think not having the latest and greatest (guy had 3 Titans in SLI at one point) he did not want to show his face much around here as his epeen would be too flaccid being stuck on a 2080Ti. Lol.

Regarding the monitor you are right, I think I may have to sit a bit further as it is wider. That may help with the problem.

Nexus18 · 25 Mar 2022 at 19:44

TNA said:
Haha, yea. I think not having the latest and greatest (guy had 3 Titans in SLI at one point) he did not want to show his face much around here as his epeen would be too flaccid being stuck on a 2080Ti. Lol.

Regarding the monitor you are right, I think I may have to sit a bit further as it is wider. That may help with the problem.

Don't forget the website showing his love for the titans too

Either way, I think everything else which is superior will more than make up for any potential loss in clarity.

TNA · 25 Mar 2022 at 19:49

Nexus18 said:
Don't forget the website showing his love for the titans too

Either way, I think everything else which is superior will more than make up for any potential loss in clarity.

Haha.

Yea, that is what I am hoping. Plus sexy Alienware is a plus. Only ever had a Laptop that was Alienware branding. It had 7970 xfire. Sold it after while after the excitement wore off and xfire only worked on a handful of games. Lol.

mrk · 25 Mar 2022 at 19:51

Just played some CS:S and have to say the lack of latency and instant response was something. I heard before that you should lock the framerate to the refresh rate or say 2fps below the refresh rate i order to maintain Gsync capability otherwise it throws a spaz and Gsync won't be working, but CS was running well over 200fps and I was seeing no tearing or anything of the sort, just pure smoothness. Is this a byproduct of OLED, or is Gsync Ultimate immune to this and it just works regardless of framerate? Vsync was off of course.

Best of all, I'm using an MX Master 3, and it felt like a wired mouse on this monitor whereas I could certainly feel how 60Hz and no Gsync was holding things back for online fps gaming before

V F · 25 Mar 2022 at 19:55

mrk said:
My brightness/contrast is 52 brightness and 65 contrast. Dark stabiliser 0, game enhancer off, Eco mode off. The manual says Eco mode off will stop the monitor going into standby mode, but even with it off I have found it goes into standby mode as dictated by my Windows power settings. Like if I lock the PC, then after 30 seconds or so on the lock screen the monitor will go into standby mode which is just as I want it to be, with or without Eco mode being on or off in the OSD. I just leave it off though as not sure what else it economises on.

Funny that. That's where my LG OLED TV is set for brightness to see the lowest near black. 52.

Nexus18 said:
I'm the same, more than 120 nits and it kills my eyes, people are always amazed at how "dull" my display looks when they first see it but once they get used to it, they prefer it

Well it depends on what the definition of dull is. It could be dull in a bright room with lots of daylight. It could be dull in a somewhat bright room with strong lamps or a central light on the ceiling. Or just genuinely dull to what their memory perceives. Or they're used to a highly saturated picture to see it as dull.

Then most people are used to seeing screens with black crush. That can also give the impression of seeing a screen with black levels set correctly as being dull. Or even the contrast blowing all the whites, then they see a screen with the contrast set correctly and they also think it's dull.

I used to see back in the IMDb forum days people gave films very low reviews because their TV was set incorrectly but they didn't know. They assumed the mastering was bad. Godzilla 2014 was a perfect example. They couldn't see what was happening in the darkness.

mrk said:
Just played some CS:S and have to say the lack of latency and instant response was something. I heard before that you should lock the framerate to the refresh rate or say 2fps below the refresh rate i order to maintain Gsync capability otherwise it throws a spaz and Gsync won't be working, but CS was running well over 200fps and I was seeing no tearing or anything of the sort, just pure smoothness. Is this a byproduct of OLED, or is Gsync Ultimate immune to this and it just works regardless of framerate? Vsync was off of course.

Best of all, I'm using an MX Master 3, and it felt like a wired mouse on this monitor whereas I could certainly feel how 60Hz and no Gsync was holding things back for online fps gaming before

It's because OLED is driven by each individual pixel. When you have a more responsive display you wont see tearing even with unlocked fps.

Nexus18 · 25 Mar 2022 at 20:03

What should this be set to?

mrk said:
Just played some CS:S and have to say the lack of latency and instant response was something. I heard before that you should lock the framerate to the refresh rate or say 2fps below the refresh rate i order to maintain Gsync capability otherwise it throws a spaz and Gsync won't be working, but CS was running well over 200fps and I was seeing no tearing or anything of the sort, just pure smoothness. Is this a byproduct of OLED, or is Gsync Ultimate immune to this and it just works regardless of framerate? Vsync was off of course.

Best of all, I'm using an MX Master 3, and it felt like a wired mouse on this monitor whereas I could certainly feel how 60Hz and no Gsync was holding things back for online fps gaming before

free/g sync does help smooth out the fps fluctuations very well and 60 fps can feel almost like 70/80 fps on a non sync screen and of course you don't have the input lag associated with normal vsync. oled instant pixel response will also improve motion and the overall feel/look of a game.

The stutter I mentioned earlier, honestly I'm not sure what is is, if its oled pixel response being too fast or if a potential problem somewhere as some games feel quite stuttery even at 60-70 fps (no stutter is showing on the frame latency graph) compared to my iiyama freesync. Maybe it's the 10gb vram @TNA ...... :cry:

Gsync is defo turned on and working.

V F said:
Funny that. That's where my LG OLED TV is set for brightness to see the lowest near black. 52.

Well it depends on what the definition of dull is. It could be dull in a bright room with lots of daylight. It could be dull in a somewhat bright room with strong lamps or a central light on the ceiling. Or just genuinely dull to what their memory perceives. Or they're used to a highly saturated picture to see it as dull.

Then most people are used to seeing screens with black crush. That can also give the impression of seeing a screen with black levels set correctly as being dull. Or even the contrast blowing all the whites, then they see a screen with the contrast set correctly and they also think it's dull.

I used to see back in the IMDb forum days people gave films very low reviews because their TV was set incorrectly but they didn't know. They assumed the mastering was bad. Godzilla 2014 was a perfect example. They couldn't see what was happening in the darkness.

It's because OLED is driven by each individual pixel. When you have a more responsive display you wont see tearing even with unlocked fps.

I think people are just used to the over saturation/brightness and they don't realise just how much harm it does to their eyes.

Indeed, I thought the same too when it came to blacks i.e. couldn't see **** but it's just oled and the tone mapping etc. showing content the way it is meant to be viewed, this article is always a good read:

https://www.avforums.com/reviews/panasonic-tx-65cz950-4k-uhd-oled-review.11860/

The final side-by-side had us looking at an image area I feel too many people misunderstand and that is shadow detail and what you should be able to see in a given scene. Sowa highlighted this with Morgan Freeman’s introduction in Oblivion, where he lights a cigar and then his face disappears into the darkness. You should just make out the very left edge of his face and his eyes. Everything else should be in complete black.

The LG was showing too much of this scene where we could actually see the back wall behind Freeman. Just because that data might be in the image when mastered and brought out with incorrect gamma or panel brightness, it doesn’t mean you are supposed to see that detail. This is important in a scene like the one being highlighted as it can completely change the feeling and mood towards the character. He no longer looks menacing if you can see him clearly, like he was displayed on the LG. Again, we had no control over this aspect of the demo, but it did make sense and highlighted the expertise of the old plasma technicians managing to get the gradations between absolute black and just above correct. There were other examples shown where the CZ950 handled shadow detail without clipping and in a more dynamic way.

TNA · 25 Mar 2022 at 20:22

Nexus18 said:
Maybe it's the 10gb vram @TNA ......

ROFL

mrk · 25 Mar 2022 at 20:46

@Nexus18 that NV CPL page, everything on defaults. I've put mine back since am on the Creator mode sRGB now.

Ah yes makes sense, about the refresh rate vs framerate thing.

V F · 25 Mar 2022 at 20:49

Nexus18 said:
I think people are just used to the over saturation/brightness and they don't realise just how much harm it does to their eyes.

Indeed, I thought the same too when it came to blacks i.e. couldn't see **** but it's just oled and the tone mapping etc. showing content the way it is meant to be viewed, this article is always a good read:

https://www.avforums.com/reviews/panasonic-tx-65cz950-4k-uhd-oled-review.11860/

You should ask them if their eyes ever suffer fatigue and a form of watering/soreness at night.

mrk · 25 Mar 2022 at 20:59

Gotta protect those peepers!

Also, the down facing USB ports are simply excellent. Never thought they could be this convenient vs USB ports on the back/side like on other monitors.

Nexus18 · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:05

BTW mrk how did you get part/sides of the taskbar to be invisible?

Random Guy Esq. · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:09

TNA said:
Cool. Yeah, I sit back and recline on my chair when watching, but when playing or browsing typically about 1 foot away and that means seeing the extra clarity and sharpness of extra pixels, hence why I could not go back to 1440p. Nothing to do with snobbery

A foot away!? Dude, how do you do that? I use my phone at a distance of about a foot. :cry:

Nexus18 · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:18

Right, defo not an oled thing, noticing lots of little stutters in windows on desktop even so will have gsync to only run with fullscreen stuff now

Bit of a PITA given some games don't have fullscreen modes especially through gamepass/xbox so have to jump in and out of settings.

This was not present with freesync/gsync "compatible" on my iiyama monitor :/

exhashdotdot · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:23

So I've just set this monitor up to test it. Doom Eternal with HDR on blew me away massively but outside of games it's kinda dim (I know that at SDR, it only has a peak brightness of around 250 nits which is why it seems dimmer than my secondary IPS monitor.

The MOBA/RTS preset seems to be the most vivid colour wise.

Text is fine though perhaps not as sharp as one would like.

srekal34 · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:31

Nexus18 said:
@srekal34 any luck on the warranty front yet?

no, nothing yet :/ let me know if you hear from them first please

TNA · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:33

Random Guy Esq. said:
A foot away!? Dude, how do you do that? I use my phone at a distance of about a foot.

Well it’s 30-40cm. At least last time I checked. As the ultrawide clan like to say it, it’s more “immersive” that way

Nexus18 · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:33

srekal34 said:
no, nothing yet :/ let me know if you hear from them first please

Will do.

Read elsewhere that they are aware of it and trying to resolve it....

srekal34 · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:34

Does anyone experience blinking screen for a split second? Not very often, but from time to time. During normal dekstop usage as long as playing games?
Ive tried my dp1.4 cable(not certified) and cable bundled with the monitor. I think the issue is still there even with the bundled one :/

srekal34 · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:38

Nexus18 said:
Will do.

Read elsewhere that they are aware of it and trying to resolve it....

Yeah, I am not too worried about it to be frank. By adjusting the price they literally confirmed it was a valid retail transaction. They advertise the bundled warranty on youtube as well as on product page.
Ombudsman would destroy them in case of any dispute.

mrk · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:48

Nexus18 said:
BTW mrk how did you get part/sides of the taskbar to be invisible?

I use StartAllBack: https://www.startallback.com/

The specific settings:

Nexus18 said:
Right, defo not an oled thing, noticing lots of little stutters in windows on desktop even so will have gsync to only run with fullscreen stuff now

Bit of a PITA given some games don't have fullscreen modes especially through gamepass/xbox so have to jump in and out of settings.

This was not present with freesync/gsync "compatible" on my iiyama monitor :/

Yeah it's set at fullscreen by default, probably because VRR in windows is flaky and out of the remit of nVidia since so many factors come into play in a desktop setting (individual apps etc).

srekal34 said:
Does anyone experience blinking screen for a split second? Not very often, but from time to time. During normal dekstop usage as long as playing games?
Ive tried my dp1.4 cable(not certified) and cable bundled with the monitor. I think the issue is still there even with the bundled one :/

Not seen this myself have to say, what GFX card have you got and has the driver been updated? I'm using nVidia Studio drivers for absolute stability as they undergo extended testing than Game Ready drivers that are shoved out the door to be on the brink of new game releases etc.