Xbox Scorpio

ic1male said:
To be honest, I'd take the graphical quality that they can do now with The Last Of Us, Uncharted 4 at least for these first baby steps in to 4K. As I mentioned several pages ago, 4K is the next thing for TV and that really is going to be around for a while. It's not like we're starting 4K and 8K is waiting in the wings as it was with 1080p consoles and 4K. 8K is not going to appear for 10-20 years for consumers so there is a long time to get decent 4K gaming.

This is Microsoft's ploy to nick Sony's crown as the PS4 neo won't be doing 4K gaming unless it's on basic games like most indie stuff.
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Well right now neither the xbox or PS4 run games well at 1080@60fps. 4K is 4x the pixels, and the Scorpio has 4x the power so it won't run 4k@60fps well. Rather just have games that run smoothly at 1080p with better graphics then the limited gain off going 4k.

Also we don't really know what Sony will have power wise it could change, and all MSFT has told us it TFlops what mean nothing. The Fury X has 2m more tflops then the 980Ti but loses for the most part.

It will be interesting too see what happens though and I like the Idea off having mid cycle updates for better graphics. Consoles at launch looked worse then PCs and they just fall behind year on year too the point that at the end of the PS3/Xbox 360 life it was just stupidly far behind. As long as games work on the OG PS4/Xbox One then things are good, if you want better graphics you pay, if you don't enjoy your console.
 
FutileBreadMachine said:
I guess that ties in what they are promoting right now - identical games, just at higher res, therefore enemy counts, image filtering, AA etc aren't tinkered with. Personally I would have much preferred a bigger gap until the next gen with a leap not just in resolution but in physics, enemy count and gameplay. A bigger gap would also mean more people have 4K TVs.
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neo and scorpio are not replacing current console, just giving customers the option to run games at 4k with current games. thats why Microsoft said all games with run on xbox one and scorpio same for sony.

i do think halo 5 will run at 4k, but only at few stages within the game.

we also see more gfx option in console games now (doom & division)to allow console owners to have choice of higher res or better iQ.

also think these console will be £500+ thats why microsoft updated xbox one to try and turn it around.
 
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It will be better for sure but Tflops can mean anything at this stage. As stated the 9Tflop fury-X looses to the 6Tflop 980Ti.

Even the new 1070 still struggles with respectable settings 4K 30fps. It is certainly a huge claim for 4K 60 frames with only 6Tflops of power.

Just to put it in terms, 20Tflops of 1080's only just manage 60fps on the witcher 3 at 4K with every setting on and maxed.
 
I don't think having two spec of console will be huge problem, PC gaming has coped perfectly well with hundreds of spec combinations for decades.

I actually like what MS are doing, whilst the focus today is on the Scorpio hardware spec they've quietly moved to unify the MS gaming platforms. People talk about how Sony is the clear winner for gaming over the last few years but forget that one of the most successful gaming platforms of all time, the PC, is Microsoft. If Microsoft successfully unify Windows 10 PC gaming with Scorpio, XB1 and XB1s along with high res VR allowing a "buy the game once play on any Microsoft platform option" they have a potentially huge audience and market share to attract all the key exclusives and devs.

Well played I'd say at this stage. There's 18 months to wait and see but the smug gloating from Sony with PS4 may well have backfired spectacularly. ;)
 
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Thing is there is literally no point in using NiVidias tflop measuring to anyone else, it makes no sense, its meaningless.
 
tyler_jrb said:
It will be better for sure but Tflops can mean anything at this stage. As stated the 9Tflop fury-X looses to the 6Tflop 980Ti.

Even the new 1070 still struggles with respectable settings 4K 30fps. It is certainly a huge claim for 4K 60 frames with only 6Tflops of power.

Just to put it in terms, 20Tflops of 1080's only just manage 60fps on the witcher 3 at 4K with every setting on and maxed.
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but witcher can't change resolution on fly based on whats being displayed. microsoft games can e.g. halo, forza and gears.

just needs to hit 4k for very short time for them to say it can run games at 4k.
 
rawuk said:
This was exactly my through. An average £1,500 system can't run 4k smoothly even at 30 on some intensive games.

I just don't see it happening on a console unless they don't plan to increase graphics but rather just the resolution which would be a let down.
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This is obviously what they are going to do.

Its not achievable otherwise and makes it easier for the developers as the two copies of the game will be very similar in features and only differ in resolution.

Obviously some developers will push the Scorpio copy more ,but there will be games where the only difference is the resolution.
 
Does anyone here already play in 4K? I'd be interested to hear comparisons between that and 1080p as I have yet to experience it. I've seen 4K video on a 4K TV but I really couldn't see much difference with 1080p. :p
 
If you already have a enthusiast PC you may as well get a PS4 Neo because you'll already have access to PC exclusives and Xbox exclusives if you have Windows 10.
 
WatchTower said:
If you already have a enthusiast PC you may as well get a PS4 Neo because you'll already have access to PC exclusives and Xbox exclusives if you have Windows 10.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. If I'm going to upgrade my X1 or PS4 it's more likely to be my PS4 as I have a powerful W10 gaming rig and now with most exclusives coming to PC I have no real need for my X1. In fact I'm tempted to just use it as a media centre now.
 
ic1male said:
Does anyone here already play in 4K? I'd be interested to hear comparisons between that and 1080p as I have yet to experience it. I've seen 4K video on a 4K TV but I really couldn't see much difference with 1080p. :p
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There is a huge difference yes. 4k gaming does look amazing especially when compared to 1080p. Its hard to explain lol until you witness it yourself.

The only problem for me is the 60fps lets it down. 1440p 144hz for me is the sweet spot with butter smooth and great graphics.
 
Thing is will you have a choice to play at 1080 with the new console? as for example if you only have a 1080p tv or monitor, then the 4k is pointless so it will stay at 1080 ?I If so that wouldnt be bad as it means 1080 @ 60fps for sure wont it? Or am i totally wrong? haha
 
This is an interesting interview with Phil Spencer

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-15-xbox-boss-phil-spencer-the-big-interview

I'm wondering if the current Xbone games (i.e. the ones without the Scorpio code) will run in some kind of virtual machine on the Scorpio which will limit any performance gains. So if something like Doom 4 runs at variable resolution <1080p, it will continue to do so on Scorpio but get scaled up to 4K. It could look quite ghastly.

Alternatively, some of the existing games could be patched to improve performance and increase resolution to 4K without any scaling.
 
kaotikuk said:
Thing is will you have a choice to play at 1080 with the new console? as for example if you only have a 1080p tv or monitor, then the 4k is pointless so it will stay at 1080 ?I If so that wouldnt be bad as it means 1080 @ 60fps for sure wont it? Or am i totally wrong? haha
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Sounds a reasonable assumption..
 
kaotikuk said:
Thing is will you have a choice to play at 1080 with the new console? as for example if you only have a 1080p tv or monitor, then the 4k is pointless so it will stay at 1080 ?I If so that wouldnt be bad as it means 1080 @ 60fps for sure wont it? Or am i totally wrong? haha
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No because the Scorpio console will be rendering everything internally at 4K, I assume. Then maybe downscaling to 1080p. (Not supersampling.) In the interview I posted above, Phil Spencer said if you have a 1080p TV, don't buy Scorpio because you won't see any benefits.
 
But won't Scorpio run a new generation of games not playable on the XO that will just downscale to 1080p, or is there content parity across XO, XOs and Scorpio?
 
tyler_jrb said:
There is a huge difference yes. 4k gaming does look amazing especially when compared to 1080p. Its hard to explain lol until you witness it yourself.

The only problem for me is the 60fps lets it down. 1440p 144hz for me is the sweet spot with butter smooth and great graphics.
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Yeah its amazing, because you just see so much extra detail. The problem with having 4K on a console is it really need ultra graphics off a PC too appreciate. If it just looks the same as current games just running at 4K I don't think the difference is as staggering.

ic1male said:
No because the Scorpio console will be rendering everything internally at 4K, I assume. Then maybe downscaling to 1080p. (Not supersampling.) In the interview I posted above, Phil Spencer said if you have a 1080p TV, don't buy Scorpio because you won't see any benefits.
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That sounds silly though, the number off 4K panels out is tiny, people don't upgrade TVs often. So they are just limiting who can even want too buy the console. I guess its console gaming and you can't decided how you want too game.
 
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