Xbox Scorpio

[Macro]

Internet says Zen CPU and Polaris GPU combo. I still think anything more than £499 is nuts. You want an incentive for people to buy the console rather than a PC.

EDIT: It supposedly has 12GB RAM. Digital Foundry came to this conclusion from the screenshot of the motherboard in the trailer. Phil Spencer said "Very good" without denying or confirming it.

We should probably keep in mind this is 18 months away and so todays pricing is probably not a great guide. Having said that they did say XB1s will remain available so Scorpio will certainly be a priced for enthusiasts I would imagine with XB1s at the £200 mark. I just noticed in the interview he mentions they looked at doing a refresh this year but decided they couldn't do the required spec to do 4K properly this year so planned for 2017 instead. Hopefully that means better capabilities or a semi reasonable price.

 

[ic1male]

180 in what way?

Because he first said Scorpio is for 4K only and there would be no benefit to 1080p TV owners. Now he's saying it's up to the developers to do what they want with it. They are not mandating 4K for games. So you could have 1080p games on Xbone S with "low" graphics and Scorpio version has "ultra" graphics.

 

[Macro]

Because he first said Scorpio is for 4K only and there would be no benefit to 1080p TV owners. Now he's saying it's up to the developers to do what they want with it. They are not mandating 4K for games. So you could have 1080p games on Xbone S with "low" graphics and Scorpio version has "ultra" graphics.

I suppose so, although I interpreted it as he meant there's little point in buying Scorpio if you have a 1080p TV and play 1080p games as Scorpio will add little to that (beyond some enhancements for games like Halo 5 which use dynamic scaling). He quiet specifically said he wasn't trying to get people on 1080p to upgrade to Scorpio in the expectation of all your 1080p games to sudden look better which seems quite honest to me.

 

[ic1male]

He quiet specifically said he wasn't trying to get people on 1080p to upgrade to Scorpio in the expectation of all your 1080p games to sudden look better which seems quite honest to me.

Yes that's the case with the current 1080p games but what about future ones. I can see Microsoft going for 4K with every game but the third party devs might choose to do 1080p with ultra bells and whistles.

 

[Macro]

True enough - I don't think that's a bad thing though if it adds masses of enhancements (although I'd be surprised if anyone actually did a Scorpio enhanced version of a game purely as 1080p without a 4K version).

 

[ic1male]

True enough - I don't think that's a bad thing though if it adds masses of enhancements (although I'd be surprised if anyone actually did a Scorpio enhanced version of a game purely as 1080p without a 4K version).

I agree but why bother with just a 4K version of a game if it looks exactly the same graphics-wise as the 1080p version? I know a couple of lads have said there is a big difference between the actual 1080p and 4K resolutions but I probably need to see it for myself.

I suppose as a test I should set my PS3 from 1080p to 576 and see the difference.

 

[Jae-So]

I agree but why bother with just a 4K version of a game if it looks exactly the same graphics-wise as the 1080p version? I know a couple of lads have said there is a big difference between the actual 1080p and 4K resolutions but I probably need to see it for myself.

Running games at 4K vs 1080p in my PC and I don't see that much difference. Tiny bit sharper but hard to tell. I'd rather have 1080p/60 with more eye candy.

 

[Macro]

I agree but why bother with just a 4K version of a game if it looks exactly the same graphics-wise as the 1080p version? I know a couple of lads have said there is a big difference between the actual 1080p and 4K resolutions but I probably need to see it for myself.

I suppose as a test I should set my PS3 from 1080p to 576 and see the difference.

I agree - too much emphasis is put on pure resolution, although I suppose all other things being equal crisper high res textures are always welcome.

 

[pioneer2000]

Here we go, the Sony faithful now claiming that resolution isn't important. Couldn't make it up!

 

[Jae-So]

Here we go, the Sony faithful now claiming that resolution isn't important. Couldn't make it up!

Hmm not sure who you are referring to but I'm an Xbox fan (actually sold my PS4) just saying on PC I don't see great gains I'd rather they used the horsepower for more eye candy at 1080p/60

 

[Curlyriff]

Because he first said Scorpio is for 4K only and there would be no benefit to 1080p TV owners. Now he's saying it's up to the developers to do what they want with it. They are not mandating 4K for games. So you could have 1080p games on Xbone S with "low" graphics and Scorpio version has "ultra" graphics.

No he didn't

He stated that there is no real benefit because the majority won't see the difference. He just pointed out later during another conversation that where dynamic resolution is already utilised (gears of war for example) that it would more likely run at the 1080 rather than 720 resolution because it can hold the desired frame rate easier.

It won't suddenly up the graphics to ultra.

You are reading the comments completely back to front I feel. The graphics settings will be the same for both just the resolution and fps target will be different. So the Scorpio would allow 4k resolution and thus you would need a TV to benefit it as well.

Hence no benefit to 1080p TV owners.

More than anything he is being honest and saying you should all go buy our new shiny xbox when it comes out unless you have everything else that goes with it to make that cost and experience worthwhile.

 

[Curlyriff]

Running games at 4K vs 1080p in my PC and I don't see that much difference. Tiny bit sharper but hard to tell. I'd rather have 1080p/60 with more eye candy.

Massive difference between 4k & 1080p for myself. It is not such a difference between 1440p and 4k and I feel this is down to the textures that most games use are not true 4k. That will change in future and the difference as things move on will be more notable.

Until companies like Ubisoft stop showing off graphics and then downgrading through I am personally getting tired of how far apart the true games are to what we see leading up to release anyways.

I mean you only have to see what we could have to what we have by looking at this video anyways

 

[ic1male]

No he didn't

Did you even read any of my other posts?

I'm not on about CURRENT GAMES. I'm on about what the third party devs will choose to do with the Scorpio in the future - whether they choose to make 4K versions of a game with the same graphical fidelity as the Xbone S or stick to 1080p and have more graphical effects.

EDIT: More information

GC: So say a developer came to you and said they wanted to use the power of Scorpio for something else. Maybe they wanted to drop the resolution to 1080p and use the processing power usually reserved for 4K to run advanced AI or graphical effects or whatever. Would you just tell them no?

PS: This is the discussion we’re starting with developers. The reason we’re announcing it now is so that we can have discussions about what developers want to do with the power. I can tell you the design point of Scorpio is to run a 4K gaming console.

GC: But if someone finds something clever they want to do with all that power, you won’t necessarily stop them?

PS: This gets a little bit more technical in that the box itself will always output a 4K signal. You can plug it into a HDTV as well, but if you plug it into a 4K TV the signal you’re gonna get is always gonna be 4K. So even if a developer decides that they don’t want a 4K frame buffer – say they want a frame buffer that’s a little smaller so that they can do some graphic techniques in that buffer – we’re gonna output a 4K signal, plugged into a 4K television.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/16/xbox-...l-everybody-on-scorpio-5948028/#ixzz4Bl4W3VfJ

 

[Curlyriff]

But that statement that I did read that this all started with and then claimed a 180 u-turn was for existing games.

That again is something completely different. The problem you would have with a developer doing that is that it would become an xBox Scorpio exclusive if they used it for advance AI as the older gen xBox wouldn't be able to run them.

I would have thought almost all developers in that instance would avoid that anyways so it becomes a moot point.

 

[Macro]

I think with the exception of the odd Sony die hard who want to FUD that Scorpio will only do 4K on graphically simple games we're all pretty much agreed that on face value Scorpio is being designed to do 4K games primarily although there may be some ways for a dev to drop the resolution and use some of the additional power for "other yet to be defined stuff".

Forza 6 Apex at 4K/60 on windows 10 PC has been used as their target for power requirements/performance/graphics.

Gamers staying on 1080p are welcome to buy Scorpio as a future proofing thing but probably won't see much difference with the possible exception of getting a more consistent 1080p/60 from some XB1 games using dynamic scaling like Halo 5.

XBox 1S will remain as an option for people happy with 1080p and they will be able to access all new games (i.e. they won't miss out on Scorpio exclusives as all games will play on all consoles).

MS looked to do a update this year but felt they couldn't hit the 4k/60 target to do it justice (either hardware or cost wise I suppose although they don't define which).

Think that seems to be the summary for me so far although with 18 months to go anything could change I suppose.

 

[neoglow]

Im certainly not singling out the Scorpio over the Neo in terms of the resolution argument, I personally think they will both fall foul to resolution upscaling in most games....exactly the same case with the PS4 and XB1 right now.

Main stream demanding games like your CoD's, Fallouts or Halo's etc will just be upscaled to 4K from their 1080 brothers on the current consoles. Visually 'simpler' games like Limbo or Minecraft etc will be rendered in 4K as their demands are low visually.

All this talk of teraflops, megahertz and gigawatts is just industry jibberish that the journo's lap up and plaster everywhere. It seems its up to the devs to decide how the hardware is used and right now Im not sure if they will choose to make 1080 games look even better by upscaling or dynamic res or push for this 'uber 4k leetness' and produce sharp, less detailed graphics.

Personally I dont see what all the fuss is about with Forza Apex on PC, Ive played it maxed out at 1080 and it didnt blow me away at all. I can also safely say that even if I had a 4k monitor and just changed the res it wont suddenly become amaze-balls, just sharper.

Also, that trailer posted a few posts back, dont fall for their typical, nonsense, cow **** marketing 'All in-game 4k footage' as it is only showing the pre-race sequences, the replays, photo mode and showcase (which do look good). However, they are NOT actual gameplay which is far from the same quality.

 

[Macro]

I think when you get down to it what matters is the updated console(s) will be substantially more powerful than this gen, which, were at best borderline for what they were supposed to do.

Sony look to be releasing an update earlier but less powerful and probably not really able to do 4K. MS are releasing (a lot) later with more power and aiming for 4K capable.

What devs choose to do with that remains to be seen. Graphics are nice and all that but game play is king (or at least should be!)

As I mentioned elsewhere I'm mainly a PC gamer these days so I'm just happy to see more "buy once play on PC & Xbox" focus as despite being a mouse and keyboard fan I enjoy playing multi-player with friends and a beer on xbox as well.

 

[jimferno]

If Scorpio does 4k @ 60fps, in game, I'll buy it day one.

 

[McPhee]

As I mentioned elsewhere I'm mainly a PC gamer these days so I'm just happy to see more "buy once play on PC & Xbox" focus as despite being a mouse and keyboard fan I enjoy playing multi-player with friends and a beer on xbox as well.

I sold my gaming PC last year due to lack of use, and my Xbox One this year to fund a PS4 purchase. If this and cross-platform multiplayer work out, sod the Scorpio I'll be building a new SFF gaming rig for under the TV.

Best announcement of E3 IMHO. TBH the Xbox One has a much more appealing catalogue of current and upcoming games than the PS4 (for me anyway). I only switched platforms to play the likes of BF4 with my mates

 

[XeNoNF50]

I sold my gaming PC last year due to lack of use, and my Xbox One this year to fund a PS4 purchase. If this and cross-platform multiplayer work out, sod the Scorpio I'll be building a new SFF gaming rig for under the TV.

Best announcement of E3 IMHO. TBH the Xbox One has a much more appealing catalogue of current and upcoming games than the PS4 (for me anyway). I only switched platforms to play the likes of BF4 with my mates

It is a cracking announcement. It's a great decision and will help them to nail the PC market in time I think.