Youtube & Ads

Nevakonaza · 13 Mar 2020 at 21:45

Pyr0m@nI@]{ said:
https://smartyoutubetv.github.io/

As far as im aware,you cannot install this kind of stuff on the Samsung TVs,They even removed Twitch which is so annoying!

G-MAN2004 said:
A member of a PC enthusiast forum still not using an ad blocker in 2020?

On your PC, use uBlock Origin. On your phone (if Android), install YouTube Vanced. Sorted. You will never see an ad again. Don't give Google 12 quid a month for something that is free.

Im mainly talking about Youtube when it comes to on a Smart TV,i know theres a ton of add blockers available for PC and android.

V F · 13 Mar 2020 at 23:20

Nevakonaza said:
As far as im aware,you cannot install this kind of stuff on the Samsung TVs,They even removed Twitch which is so annoying!

Im mainly talking about Youtube when it comes to on a Smart TV,i know theres a ton of add blockers available for PC and android.

Why did they remove so many things from the Smart Hubs? Youtube has been gone on mine for ages. It's looking quite empty. Plenty of other apps but I stopped using the thing a long time ago because so many apps were getting pulled.

At least the Amazon Video is still on it.

Nevakonaza · 14 Mar 2020 at 00:25

V F said:
Why did they remove so many things from the Smart Hubs? Youtube has been gone on mine for ages. It's looking quite empty. Plenty of other apps but I stopped using the thing a long time ago because so many apps were getting pulled.

At least the Amazon Video is still on it.

Not a clue, I assume something to do with licensing, is annoying though when you purchase a TV then a few months down the line they start pulling apps, and don't allow you to manually add stuff back to your own TV of course you can add an android box/firestick and put these back in but again, going backwards.

There was a lot of unhappy people on the Samsung forums when twitch got pulled.

casper_uk · 14 Mar 2020 at 01:12

I didn't realise how bad it had got as I mostly use my pc which has Ublock origin so never see them. I was on my tv app the other day and the amount of ads was shocking! Pi-hole seems the way forward!

TurtleTwo · 14 Mar 2020 at 02:56

memyselfandi said:
No I am not because there's no way in **** I'm downloading and installing some dodgy apks on any of my Android devices to try and do something which is probably against the services EULA.

Additionally that would mean I 'd have to cast to the TV all the time rather than the simplicity of just using the built in app. I don't have an issue paying for premium.

"dodgy"

nothing dodgy about it, it's a modified youtube client. Ooh against the EULA! what about what Google do to us with surveillance, data mining and god knows what else, that's ok is it?

No worries, if you don't mind paying for it fair enough.

Jez · 14 Mar 2020 at 09:26

peterattheboro said:
Running YouTube Vanguard on my phone and Pi-hole on my home network. Not seen an advert for a long time

I installed pi hole yesterday and got it all set up/working. It doesn’t seem to block YouTube adverts at all? I’d love to get it blocking YouTube as my son likes to watch it on a smart tv, but it just plainly doesn’t seem to prevent them on either windows clients, iPads or TVs?

Works on regular websites, but there is little advantage there as ublock etc are better featured for desktop....

peterattheboro · 14 Mar 2020 at 09:57

Jez said:
I installed pi hole yesterday and got it all set up/working. It doesn’t seem to block YouTube adverts at all? I’d love to get it blocking YouTube as my son likes to watch it on a smart tv, but it just plainly doesn’t seem to prevent them on either windows clients, iPads or TVs?
Works on regular websites, but there is little advantage there as ublock etc are better featured for desktop....

Probably a stupid question but I assume you've sent the DNS manually on those devices?

Jez · 14 Mar 2020 at 10:28

Of course

..my point is that pi-hole can’t cope with YouTube to my understanding?

I love its interface, very nice slick product, but being DNS based in hindsight how can it cope with embedded adverts?

If you have somehow found a way to get it working I’d be most interested, all of my trawling of reddit hasn’t come up with much which seems any good

peterattheboro · 14 Mar 2020 at 11:01

Jez said:
Of course ..my point is that pi-hole can’t cope with YouTube to my understanding?

I love its interface, very nice slick product, but being DNS based in hindsight how can it cope with embedded adverts?

If you have somehow found a way to get it working I’d be most interested, all of my trawling of reddit hasn’t come up with much which seems any good

Can't be of much help to be honest as I don't use a Smart TV yet. Still using a PC hooked up to our main TV as we stream everything. Tested Pi-hole on everyone's devices in our household and it's working perfectly. It's been a while since I set it up and can't remember exactly what I did.

Pop the question in here as someone technical will be able to help you

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/setting-up-pi-hole.18756115/

Jez · 14 Mar 2020 at 11:35

peterattheboro said:
Can't be of much help to be honest as I don't use a Smart TV yet. Still using a PC hooked up to our main TV as we stream everything. Tested Pi-hole on everyone's devices in our household and it's working perfectly. It's been a while since I set it up and can't remember exactly what I did.

Pop the question in here as someone technical will be able to help you

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/setting-up-pi-hole.18756115/

I have posted in there, never know someone might have a trick that I’ve missed!

. Only slight issue with expecting help is that I am about as technical as they come but have realised that the product unfortunately has been beaten by the content vendors. Software blockers perform packet inspection which this can never do

shame

V F · 15 Mar 2020 at 16:14

Nevakonaza said:
Not a clue, I assume something to do with licensing, is annoying though when you purchase a TV then a few months down the line they start pulling apps, and don't allow you to manually add stuff back to your own TV of course you can add an android box/firestick and put these back in but again, going backwards.

There was a lot of unhappy people on the Samsung forums when twitch got pulled.

Well I suppose I'm not completely screwed on that aspect but I can understand why they were angry. I still can hook up the WDTV box to any TV should I need it. It had a ton of apps. Or as I used to do, stream the rips from Mac/PC to the rooms with it. Or even the PS3 or PS4 that has twitch, Youtube etc etc...

lego · 15 Mar 2020 at 19:27

I can't even remember what country I used to sign up to premium, but I think I pay about £2.40 per month. That being said, I did use to subscribe using the UK site, but that was always more for the music. I would guess that 70% of my screen time (recreational) is via YouTube, so if the option for me to pay so little went away, I would pay the £12 a month not to see ads. I guess it comes down to how much you watch on the platform

malachi · 15 Mar 2020 at 20:03

lego said:
I can't even remember what country I used to sign up to premium, but I think I pay about £2.40 per month. That being said, I did use to subscribe using the UK site, but that was always more for the music. I would guess that 70% of my screen time (recreational) is via YouTube, so if the option for me to pay so little went away, I would pay the £12 a month not to see ads. I guess it comes down to how much you watch on the platform

I signed up to premium for India via NordVPN.

Not sure if the method would still work.

Sho · 16 Mar 2020 at 05:18

Pay £1.40 pm for no ads on YouTube Happy with that.

krooton · 16 Mar 2020 at 06:40

Why are torrents a no-no, but ad blocking fine? Morally pretty similar, no?

malachi · 16 Mar 2020 at 07:39

krooton said:
Why are torrents a no-no, but ad blocking fine? Morally pretty similar, no?

Because torrent can be used to "steal" copyright material. But ads are a legit way for companies to make money. I don't see how they are the same.

krooton · 16 Mar 2020 at 08:07

malachi said:
Because torrent can be used to "steal" copyright material. But ads are a legit way for companies to make money. I don't see how they are the same.

What I mean is, torrent a movie, deny the creators revenue for their work.
Block ads, deny the creators revenue for their work.

Why do people feel like they are entitled to free Youtube content, rather than either paying in actual money, or "paying" in ad revenue?

I can kinda understand with regards to things like Sky, where you pay subscription yet still get ads, but not so much youtube.

malachi · 16 Mar 2020 at 08:47

krooton said:
What I mean is, torrent a movie, deny the creators revenue for their work.
Block ads, deny the creators revenue for their work.

Why do people feel like they are entitled to free Youtube content, rather than either paying in actual money, or "paying" in ad revenue?

I can kinda understand with regards to things like Sky, where you pay subscription yet still get ads, but not so much youtube.

The main issue with ads, its constantly in your face, flashing up, unskippable lengths of time. Watching a video and halfway it randomly cuts to an ad.

It wasn't a problem at first, an 2 second ad at the start of a few videos. That was fine. Then they started taking mickey, forcing people to take action with adblocks.

Doesn't help Youtube was an ad free platform at first. Then Google purchased it, slapped on ads then you need to pay to remove those ads.

b00merang69 · 16 Mar 2020 at 08:48

Just do both!

Jez · 16 Mar 2020 at 10:01

malachi said:
I signed up to premium for India via NordVPN.

Not sure if the method would still work.

Just did this via an azure vm in India. 189rupees (£2) per month for family membership, happy enough with that