F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

Glaucus · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:14

daz said:
I think they should just increase the weighting for coming 1st over 2nd, e.g. award something like 15 points for 1st.

Yep like it use to be. Bigger weighting.

JRS · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:15

sunama said:
In particular, I feel that if Ferrari get battered by BrawnGP, then we shall see an appeal which will probably be successful, if only to ensure that Ferrari have a good chance at winning the titles.

But it won't just be Ferrari who appeal, will it? It'll be all the teams. Will we see, for example, allegations of bias towards Renault in the wake of a successful appeal? After all, the FIA did also let Renault close the horsepower gap after the engine freeze rule came in....

Wicksta · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:16

It's a shame that Brawn don't have a young looking driver like Vettel, so we could all laugh at his race suit with VIRGIN written all over it.

[TW]Taggart · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:39

AcidHell2 said:
Don't see what needs clarifying. rules are there to be bent. tough luck if you didn't think r it. Rules should not be changed or clarified till the end of the season. Once it gets the ok from the stewards that's that. Don't like it, well copy the design.

Ohh great news for BrawnGP lets hope it all goes well and the deal is signed.,

Its the right decision, which is great. esp with the lack of in season testing. Anyone else notice how maclaren havent protested the diffuser? I wouldnt be supprised if the silver car came to oz with a new diffuser similar to the one used at brawn gp, infact im certain they will.

[TW]Taggart · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:41

Wicksta said:
It's a shame that Brawn don't have a young looking driver like Vettel, so we could all laugh at his race suit with VIRGIN written all over it.

i LOLed who knows maybe next year we can jibe senna

sunama · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:46

[TW]Taggart;13759251 said:
Anyone else notice how maclaren havent protested the diffuser? I wouldnt be supprised if the silver car came to oz with a new diffuser similar to the one used at brawn gp, infact im certain they will.

Its possible. But, if they do bring in a major new bodypart without testing it, then it will show just how desperate they are, in that they are sacrificing races, in order to speed up development of their car or introduce untested new car parts, hoping that it makes their poor car, faster.

JRS · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:47

[TW]Taggart;13759251 said:
Its the right decision, which is great. esp with the lack of in season testing. Anyone else notice how maclaren havent protested the diffuser? I wouldnt be supprised if the silver car came to oz with a new diffuser similar to the one used at brawn gp, infact im certain they will.

Might of course be something to do with the fact that Mercedes don't want one of their teams protesting another....

Burned_Alive · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:51

What is it exactly that's so different about the brawn diffuser?

JRS · 26 Mar 2009 at 14:53

Burned_Alive said:
What is it exactly that's so different about the brawn diffuser?

Autosport has a bit of info here.

Flibster · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:01

JRS said:
But it won't just be Ferrari who appeal, will it? It'll be all the teams. Will we see, for example, allegations of bias towards Renault in the wake of a successful appeal? After all, the FIA did also let Renault close the horsepower gap after the engine freeze rule came in....

And the lack of punishment for Renault for having illegally obtained data sorted on their server and discussed in meeting.

It's not Pro-Ferrari - it's Anti-McLaren and has been for several years.

Flibster · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:03

sunama said:
Its possible. But, if they do bring in a major new bodypart without testing it, then it will show just how desperate they are, in that they are sacrificing races, in order to speed up development of their car or introduce untested new car parts, hoping that it makes their poor car, faster.

Tell me... how can they test the new components? Without violating the testing ban, which lasts until 01/01/2010?

Also, cargo arrived for McLaren this morning with new components in it apparently.

JRS · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:07

Flibster said:
It's not Pro-Ferrari - it's Anti-McLaren and has been for several years.

Try and tell sunama that and see how far you get

Dup · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:15

Flibster said:
Tell me... how can they test the new components? Without violating the testing ban, which lasts until 01/01/2010?

Also, cargo arrived for McLaren this morning with new components in it apparently.

They have the practice sessions, or they can take a calculated gamble dependant on simulations. It's not all a loss of development mid-season, just more of a gample.

Flibster · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:20

Dup said:
They have the practice sessions, or they can take a calculated gamble dependant on simulations. It's not all a loss of development mid-season, just more of a gample.

Yup - but Sunama was saying that if they bolt on a piece without testing it. There is no real testing other than on Fridays.

Even then, it's not that much.

Rumours abound - McLaren didn't appeal as their diffuser now appears to look like the Brawns.

JRS · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:23

Flibster said:
Rumours abound - McLaren didn't appeal as their diffuser now appears to look like the Brawns.

Well, they are both Mercedes teams

Dup · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:24

Flibster said:
Yup - but Sunama was saying that if they bolt on a piece without testing it. There is no real testing other than on Fridays.

Even then, it's not that much.

Rumours abound - McLaren didn't appeal as their diffuser now appears to look like the Brawns.

They've always got computer simulations, which is 80% of the process anyway. On-track testing just makes sure it doesn't fall off and works with other components on the car. A lot of testing is down to endurance and tyre usage and they're environment specific it most cases. But I do agree, not much scope to claw much back its all wrong in the first place. This is the idea of reducing costs, put teams off taking those risks and spending money on negative development.

The McLaren had a similar design anyway, just that part of theirs was blocked off where the alleged illegal diffusers aren't due to uncertainty of it being illegal methinks.

I reckon all the teams will have the same diffuser by now

[TW]Taggart · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:27

matthew2456 said:
cant find the classic races on virgin red button?

Isnt on bbci and there are only text stories on the news page???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/03/classic_australian_gp_the_winn.html

[TW]Taggart · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:30

sunama said:
Its possible. But, if they do bring in a major new bodypart without testing it, then it will show just how desperate they are, in that they are sacrificing races, in order to speed up development of their car or introduce untested new car parts, hoping that it makes their poor car, faster.

yes but they dont have a choise if the testing times are to go by do they.

Watching friday practice is going to be fun this year.

Glaucus · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:31

[TW]Taggart;13759627 said:
yes but they dont have a choise if the testing times are to go by do they.

Watching friday practice is going to be fun this year.

Is it shown on tv or internet?

JRS · 26 Mar 2009 at 15:32

Dup said:
This is the idea of reducing costs, put teams off taking those risks and spending money on negative development.

That might be the idea, but all it'll lead to is no innovation and 'cookie-cutter' car designs. They might as well bring in a spec chassis now if they really want to make going GP racing cheap.