That's nothing to do with Islam. Honour killings/attacks are mainly culture based.
Poll: Poll: should the UK ban the islamic veil?
- Thread starter lunarwolf
- Start date
That's nothing to do with Islam. Honour killings/attacks are mainly culture based.
Should we ban Clowns, how many criminals have used clown masks, or how about banning Dead Presidents (seen the film).
In this country, how many women have committed a terrorist act? with or without a burka. How many men have committed a terrorist act with or without a burka?
There is no justifiable reason to ban an item of clothing totally. Only fear and media induced fear at that.
Last edited:
wow.
the amount of terrorism in the name of islam is so numerous it is not even worth my time listing, let's just say they covered all the continents copiously (except antartica)
when did a nun commit any terrorist act? not even going to answer your question since it's ridiculous, as are your arguments
the amount of terrorism in the name of islam is so numerous it is not even worth my time listing, let's just say they covered all the continents copiously (except antartica)
when did a nun commit any terrorist act? not even going to answer your question since it's ridiculous, as are your arguments
Man of Honour
- Joined
- 27 Sep 2004
- Posts
- 25,821
- Location
- Glasgow
I think what I'm enjoying most about this thread now is that any instance of bad behaviour is now instantly indicative of the mores of any group of people who share at least one characteristic. It renders any discussion pointless because "if one of 'em does it, they all do it...".
Life is not black and white, it's not always clearcut - it would be much easier if it was as there'd be no need for any value judgements when you've simply got to say that something is right in all circumstances or something is wrong but unfortunately for the sake of simplicity life exists in a multitude of hues. This variety doesn't make it easy to display moral certainty at all times but damn if it doesn't make it interesting and worth living.
You can count me amongst the few.
Life is not black and white, it's not always clearcut - it would be much easier if it was as there'd be no need for any value judgements when you've simply got to say that something is right in all circumstances or something is wrong but unfortunately for the sake of simplicity life exists in a multitude of hues. This variety doesn't make it easy to display moral certainty at all times but damn if it doesn't make it interesting and worth living.
You can count me amongst the few.
Soldato
- Joined
- 4 Aug 2008
- Posts
- 4,936
- Location
- Manchester.
Better ban veils at weddings. I for one am outraged.
Soldato
- Joined
- 7 Jun 2010
- Posts
- 2,730
- Location
- Kent
And yet Christian extremists have bombed abortion clinics in the USA, killed doctors who perform abortion. That is done in the name of Christianity.
Assassination of George Tiller
Other cases:
September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.
Source
Army Of God
As I've said all sides, Chrisitian, Islam, Hinduism etc. have committed terrorist acts. Islam has become the bogeyman recently.
No one is talking about, for example, the Maoist attacks in India (Source) which are also terrorism. And these attacks are ongoing.
NY, Darfur, Israel, Bali, Spain, UK, India, France, Bosnia, Turkey, Nigeria, Niger, Ivory Coast, Uganda, Chechnya, Somalia, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Phillipines, and the list goes on. It's not a scapegoat as you put it, Islam has started these fires. frankly i find your comparison insulting.
What an overly simplistic view you have on world affairs and history then.
Islam started all these fires did they?
Soldato
- Joined
- 7 Jun 2010
- Posts
- 2,730
- Location
- Kent
Where did I call it a scapegoat? As I've said terrorism is terrorism but hey if you want to solely focus on Islamic terrorism while ignoring other forms of terrorism then that's your prerogative.
Soldato
- Joined
- 25 Apr 2010
- Posts
- 5,298
- Location
- Ipswich
Such is the way of life.
What an overly simplistic view you have on world affairs and history then.
Islam started all these fires did they?
i doubt that very much
all these were terrorist acts committed by radical islamists. this is fact. are you going to begin your apologetic arguments for islamist terrorism now??i doubt that very much
No, I'm going to scoff at your historical ignorance of why world affairs are as they are now.
You completely blame every terrorist problem in the world on Islam, without taking consideration of the many current and historical causes I suspect.
You, like all racists, need to stop the 'your apologetic' rubbish.
I apologise for no one. They are not my actions to say sorry for.
What I argue from is a position of fair and balanced Knowledge.
Not an argument built from blind hatred.
No its not fact.
Last edited:
murderers and rapists have reasons too. it doen't excuse the behaviour - this doesnt change the facts that these were terrorist acts commited by fundamental islamists looking to gain control.
i am well travelled, speak several languages, have lived abroad in different countries for many years, attended some of the best universities so please refrain from scoffing at my historical ignorance.
PS didnt see your edit, you can also stop insulting me and call me a racist. i am not racist and secondly this is about religion not race. BTW i am not in favour of a ban yet i do have a problem with radical islam. so please get off your high horse
Last edited:
Really?
Shame none of those fortunate circumstances afforded to you have not ingrained some historical understanding of the conflict between the West and Islam.
Instead, it is easier to say the fault lies with them because they are the ones currently recieving the most publicity for their actions?
What if we are state terrorists in their eyes?
For someone highly educated, you are thick as two short planks for drawing such obvious and ignorant conclusions of the world we live in.
lol are you the Imam at Finsbury mosque? you speak like a true apologist for terrorism
Apologist?
Again?
If that is far as you can twist your argument, fine. Have it your way.
Better than being a 'highly educated' moron who plucks world affair opinions out of christmas crackers.
For me, i would let them wear what they want, but when taking to someone and they ask for you to show your face, as a lot of our interaction with others, western style, is conducted with face expressions, then they should be kind enough to remove enough for the face to be shown.
It is one of the main 'im not going to fit in' points that is very easy to spot in a western culture and while not offensive, does make 'western' people wonder what you are hiding.
Funny enough, all the ladies ive spoken too wearing said head veil, when asked, have removed it enough for me to see the face with out any hassle.
Talk to the people before judging. It helps.
Colin
It is one of the main 'im not going to fit in' points that is very easy to spot in a western culture and while not offensive, does make 'western' people wonder what you are hiding.
Funny enough, all the ladies ive spoken too wearing said head veil, when asked, have removed it enough for me to see the face with out any hassle.
Talk to the people before judging. It helps.
Colin
FYI a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.
secondly you are the one stating i am wrong, yet give no explanation. please enlighten us dumb masses with your superior knowlegde and insight professor.
I know what the word means.
You are trying to slur and infer those who dissagree with you as 'weak apologists'.
It is posturing.
What, you want war and peace on world affairs do you? I say one simple thing like "do you not think they see state terrorism", and its straight to HAHAHA YOUR A MUSLIM.
You are a moron.
Like all racists.Why don't you provide evidence for your own devoid conclusions first?
Last edited:
i have listed areas where islamist have committed terrorit acts, which btw they admitted to, it's not a state secret. you are the one saying that this info is wrong. the onus is yours.