Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

[Robbo]

Havent Olympiacos been quite impressive at home against some very good opposition, think they have beaten all the English teams there recently (Arsenal, Chelsea), Bayern & Spanish opposition. Given how utterly average you have been of late, trying to be compact and break on the counter was probably a good idea, unfortunately you dont have the pace, nor the players (especially in MF) to play that way.

We should always be compact where required and obviously hard to play against, but... that was the only thing he focused on (unsurprisingly). Olympiacos didn't seem to be a particularly bad team, but we should be looking to control the game and really take it to them. 1 shot on target?

 

[Gilly]

Didn't Taggart almost relegate them in his first years in charge? Wasn't it a poxy League Cup win that bought him some time? Didn't he take on a talented, winning team that had hit a rought patch but won silverware under his predecessor?

Moyes has it worse. For reasons unbeknown to us Taggart has steadfastly refused to improve the first team squad over the years. Preferring Welbeck, Young, Cleverly to, well, any of the hundreds of players that would improve the squad. Everyone can see that with the only two properly good centre halves retiring, and all of the properly good central midfielders retired, investment was needed in those areas years ago. That didn't happen.

 

[Newbie007]

I wouldnt describe the best Man U teams as compact personally. Free flowing, pacey, ruthless would be descriptors for me.

FA Cup win kept him in his job, plenty of match going supporters wanted him out as they were terrible in his 1st 4 seasons. rest is history - Is uppose those still in support of Moyes are harking back to Fergie's early years and hoping there is some correlation.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I dont understand why nani has not got a run of games Robbo, imo he is ur best winger and he does cut in and can cross. He never seems to have got a run of games in the last 2-3 years and thats really unfortunate as he adds much more than Vallencia will ever add to a team.

 

[Robbo]

Didn't Taggart almost relegate them in his first years in charge? Wasn't it a poxy League Cup win that bought him some time? Didn't he take on a talented, winning team that had hit a rought patch but won silverware under his predecessor?

Moyes has it worse. For reasons unbeknown to us Taggart has steadfastly refused to improve the first team squad over the years. Preferring Welbeck, Young, Cleverly to, well, any of the hundreds of players that would improve the squad. Everyone can see that with the only two properly good centre halves retiring, and all of the properly good central midfielders retired, investment was needed in those areas years ago. That didn't happen.

Things were rocky for a few years, but he took over when the squad was a bit of a mess and we were 21st in the table, and finished 11th. It was up and down after that until it finally stabilised. The chances of this exact same situation playing out to another fantastic conclusion are extremely small, and in this day and age it isn't really a risk you can take. Also, if you look at Ferguson before he joined, he'd done quite a lot of impressive things with Aberdeen, Moyes hasn't got any of that behind him.

I know our squad isn't brilliant, but it's also not that bad. We have to try and assess the capability of David Moyes based on how he's handling the current squad and situation so far, and it's far from good. I'm not sure how anyone can say that it is.

Let's not forget we've got all these mega deals with Chevrolet and potentially Nike all lined up? I can't imagine the future sponsors expected the team to have such a dramatic slump.

I dont understand why nani has not got a run of games Robbo, imo he is ur best winger and he does cut in and can cross. He never seems to have got a run of games in the last 2-3 years and thats really unfortunate as he adds much more than Vallencia will ever add to a team.

Well he's been injured quite a lot lately, but yes, on his day I think he's one of the best wingers around and an absolutely fantastic player. Unfortunately his day doesn't come very often, but even on an off day he's more useful than someone like Young.

 

[Gilly]

Not that bad? Really?

I'll be honest, keeper and up front aside mid table would be a realistic result. The defence is too old and slow, or is inexperienced and not coming on as expected, and midfield is a horror show.

Keeper is a position sorted for years, and up front with Rooney, RvP (ATM) and Mata, goals will not be too hard to come by.

 

[Robbo]

Not that bad? Really?

I'll be honest, keeper and up front aside mid table would be a realistic result. The defence is too old and slow, or is inexperienced and not coming on as expected, and midfield is a horror show.

Keeper is a position sorted for years, and up front with Rooney, RvP (ATM) and Mata, goals will not be too hard to come by.

Yeah, I don't think it's that bad. It looks significantly worse now they're completely drained of all confidence and have had a 'don't lose' mentality drilled into them.

If Moyes remains then next season we'll hopefully be able to see whatever 'his vision' is for how we play, but at the moment it looks pretty grim. The pressure will be on him even more though having potentially spent £100m odd on players, I'm not sure he can hack it.

 

[FrankJH]

If Moyes remains then next season we'll hopefully be able to see whatever 'his vision' is for how we play, but at the moment it looks pretty grim. The pressure will be on him even more though having potentially spent £100m odd on players, I'm not sure he can hack it.

Well thats suggesting that £100m worth of players doesnt get the team in a better position, when thats highly unlikely (well unless its 10 £10m players , or its a £30m gk, and two £30m strikers lol ie players that are clearly not required)

Even a 1/2 decent centre half to come in along side Evans / Jones , one CM, a winger who can cross and a full back (and Im not even talking World Class here, just moderately good) and with some belief back in the team and a good pre-season we can be really competitve again (even if outright success aludes the team for another season)


There are enough players out there that Man Utd will still be a good step up from where they currently are and Utd can get 1/2 decent prices again rather than massively inflated which has been the case for god-knows how long

 

[Robbo]

Well thats suggesting that £100m worth of players doesnt get the team in a better position, when thats highly unlikely (well unless its 10 £10m players , or its a £30m gk, and two £30m strikers lol ie players that are clearly not required)

Even a 1/2 decent centre half to come in along side Evans / Jones , one CM, a winger who can cross and a full back (and Im not even talking World Class here, just moderately good) and with some belief back in the team and a good pre-season we can be really competitve again (even if outright success aludes the team for another season)

There are enough players out there that Man Utd will still be a good step up from where they currently are and Utd can get 1/2 decent prices again rather than massively inflated which has been the case for god-knows how long

As we're going to be held to ransom by clubs and agents and it's a World Cup year, I think we might need to spend a good bit more than £100m. It will depend on who is available, how good they are, and how much we're being ripped off, I don't think there's a specific amount of cash to be spent. I think if we can identify an obtainable solid improvement in any given position then we'll try and get them. It's very interesting to think that our first choice starting eleven could potentially have 5 or 6 new players in it next season! I also think we're going to be taking a few gambles on younger players going into next season, and hoping they can make the step up and improve.

Without Champions League football and with Moyes at the helm I'm not sure we'll be able to sign a single current world class player in a position we need, as the likes of PSG will always be in the market for those people too. Though we did get Mata in unusual circumstances so perhaps the same thing could happen again.

 

[hawkhench]

Nani probably hasn't got time because he doesn't do enough for Moyes defensively.

 

[Trusty]

For one the transfer targets you are linked to i.e. kroos are not coming if your not in the champions league. Also, they are not going to want to play under David Moyes a manager who has never won nothing and taken a title winning side to the position they are in now, thats how it will change it.

It's not true really, it's all in everyone heads that United would'nt be able to attract high calibre players - it's complete garbage. United is one of the biggest clubs in the world. There will be plenty of people to choose from

Nani probably hasn't got time because he doesn't do enough for Moyes defensively.

He's been given a new contract though, Moyes is probably thinking he can get the best out of him next season or what not, i presume he'll start Nani at OT for the 2nd leg of the cl as well. Big match player Nani can be..if he's fit,not sure if he is though..

 

[Robbo]

Nani probably hasn't got time because he doesn't do enough for Moyes defensively.

Yes, it wouldn't be worth potentially exposing our rock solid defensive system.

Hang on...

 

[Trusty]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26385392

listen to this man Robbo

 

[Robbo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26385392

listen to this man Robbo

Steve Bruce talking about his strikers?

 

[jonneymendoza]

Steve Bruce talking about his strikers?

what has that got to do with moyes and/or united?

 

[Frodo1805]

It's not true really, it's all in everyone heads that United would'nt be able to attract high calibre players - it's complete garbage. United is one of the biggest clubs in the world. There will be plenty of people to choose from

Yes because world class talents want to play in the europea league and under David Moyes

 

[Jono8]

The main reason for why I thought his appointment was wrong was the simple fact that he had never won anything as a manager before apart from the second division title with Preston. Christ even bottom of the table Fulham's new manager has three Bundesliga titles under his belt.

I know Fergie didn't have a massive resume before joining Man Utd but he won pretty much everything he could have won with Aberdeen

From wiki:

AberdeenScottish Premier Division (3): 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup (1): 1985–86
Drybrough Cup (1): 1980
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983

Moyes has just simply never proven that he can win at the top level and who is to say that he ever will be able to?

 

[Tute]

Many would do it for the money, if Manyoo were to offer them the ridiculous wages they're able to.

Can Man U afford to have the whole wage list on £200-300K a week though? Especially if it still doesn't lead to success and regular CL football?

The main reason for why I thought his appointment was wrong was the simple fact that he had never won anything as a manager before apart from the second division title with Preston. Christ even bottom of the table Fulham's new manager has three Bundesliga titles under his belt.

I know Fergie didn't have a massive resume before joining Man Utd but he won pretty much everything he could have won with Aberdeen

From wiki:

AberdeenScottish Premier Division (3): 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup (1): 1985–86
Drybrough Cup (1): 1980
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983

Moyes has just simply never proven that he can win at the top level and who is to say that he ever will be able to?

When Moyes was appointed United boss he certainly wasn't good enough to take the job on. It basically relied on him taking the chance with both hands and stepping up a level to start thinking like a proper world class manager.

He deserved the chance after what he's done at Everton. I'd long admired his work there. But it was going to be totally different at United. We'd back him with a £200M war chest and let him build the team of his dreams, and in return he'd improve as a manager and take the step-up to dominating English football.

From what I've seen so far, that's just not happened. He's no closer to sorting United out than he was last summer. He needs to either have an epiphany, take the job by the scruff of the neck and properly sort it out, or just admit he'll always be good but never world class, and clear off. Do I think he's capable of the former? Undoubtedly - but it would mean a complete change in mental attitude from him.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Moyes has just simply never proven that he can win at the top level and who is to say that he ever will be able to?

I would basically say such a complete lack of even looking competitive at the top level, in big games in general or cup runs over such a long space of time suggests he is completely proven... just proven not at all capable to win things.

When Moyes was appointed United boss he certainly wasn't good enough to take the job on. It basically relied on him taking the chance with both hands and stepping up a level to start thinking like a proper world class manager.

He deserved the chance after what he's done at Everton. I'd long admired his work there.

He certainly hasn't done terribly at Everton, but everything he did showed quite obviously where his limits were. You don't have to be at a big club to win things.

There are two types of successful managers who really should be the choices for a big job, a proven successful manager, IE someone who has won things before preferably with a bigger team and more consistently, or someone who has never managed before.

There are pretty much loads of first time managers who have done brilliantly at top clubs, and loads of guys who have had success before(often starting at top clubs but not always) who have gone on to other top jobs and been successful. But guys who have managed for 5-10 years without success rarely go on to be successful if they ever get the top jobs.

Capello's first job was Milan, Mourinho was Porto(not as big but he won and didn't stay there long), Benitez's first job was the Real Madrid B team, Guardiola the Barca B team. Wenger's first job was a ligue 1 team and was only there a couple years before moving to Monaco and started winning straight away there. It's not uncommon to name first time managers to top clubs and the winning mentality often starts straight away, be it a league one team and a great cup run, maybe consistent cup runs and promotions but often straight up top league clubs and doing something significant in the first few years.

Everything about Moyes screams, he's had longer than the vast majority of managers in the prem league yet failed to ever make a team look really good. I would say a first time manager would have had a massively higher chance of being successful at Utd than Moyes did.

 

[Youstolemyname]

Here's my 2pence worth.

He didn't win a thing at Everton, had never managed a team of superstars and never had a plan B at Everton.

He had not 'done really well on a limited budget' despite what everyone continually says; his teams never set the world on fire with beautiful football, they ground out results and, most importantly, didn't win anything.

His one gift seems to be the ability to buy a diamond player for peanuts who stands out in a poor team (Pienarr, Cahill et al). But that still didn't win the team any trophies.

Did I mention he hasn't won anything?

Everyone is pointing the finger at Mr Moyes but I am starting to feel a bit sorry for him. He should never have been appointed in the first place as he doesn't have the experience to manage a club of United's size and expectation. He should have been brought in as an assistant to Fergie and had a transition season if they were so obsessed with him being the new boss.

But he may prove me wrong, Fergie was one game from the sack and look what he achieved. But it's different now to back then, one defeat can be the difference between several million pounds and a player exodus. Back when Fergie was appointed there was a bit more breathing space for players and managers.

Either way, the board are doing a sterling job of deflecting the pressure away from themselves when the real question should be: "Why did you appoint a manager who, on paper, has none of the credentials to be a Manchester United manager?"