Israel/Palestine Shenanigans

[asim18]

and tomorrow I'll be calling everyone spastics?

You have demonstrated yourself, that you have the ability to call entire races and populaces negative things. So is it really surprising that one thinks you have it in you to call everyone spastics tomorrow?

 

[Caged]

So "that looks like a binbag" is the same as calling a black man a darkie?

and tomorrow I'll be calling everyone spastics?

and nothing there is out of proportion at all?
m'kay...



Actually rewind 40 years and spastics was an accepted word, derived from spasticity, which was something to do with jerky muscles I think.
Every few years another PC person would pop up and declare the old word was out and a new word was in. We went though about 6 different words and I've no idea what the current term is.

The point which you've even sort of alluded to is that acceptable language is a fluid thing that constantly changes. For some reason you are happy to accept this unless the situation is yourself describing Muslim people or Muslim clothing. And then you see fit to act surprised when people draw the conclusion that you're not a particularly nice person. I hope you're just a bad troll because if you actually believe what you post then you must be a very angry person.

You tell people to "get a grip", but how else could "name me one Muslim that the world needs" be interpreted other than saying that an entire group of people aren't fit for this earth? When most people declare their support for Israel in this conflict they often manage to give a better reason than pure contempt for the other side.

Name me one member of your family that the world needs.

 

[bitslice]

You have demonstrated yourself, that you have the ability to call entire races and populaces negative things. So is it really surprising that one thinks you have it in you to call everyone spastics tomorrow?

So if I say white people can't dance, then all the white people will hate me?
I better not do that then...

The point which you've even sort of alluded to is that acceptable language is a fluid thing that constantly changes. For some reason you are happy to accept this unless the situation is yourself describing Muslim people or Muslim clothing.

So if I see on TV, in films and on the net that everyone in Afghanistan appears to be hanging around goats, then I'm not allowed to assume that's somehow central to life in Afghanistan? That to be properly PC I have to assume they are all doctors and artists?

That if someone wears something that has no equal in my culture, and the nearest approximate shape is a bin bag, then I'm not allowed to say that it looks like a bin bag, I have to pretend it looks like a ballgown or something?

And then you see fit to act surprised when people draw the conclusion that you're not a particularly nice person.

Damn right I'm not, nothing left to be nice for.

I hope you're just a bad troll because if you actually believe what you post then you must be a very angry person.

Oh noes, we are using the word troll incorrectly again, and here's me hoping that after 20 years of the internet people would figure that one out.

Trolls are NOT people you disagree with.
Please try and remember this, it saves time.

And like everyone else on here you seem to think that I have some kind of feelings on this, that muslims make me angry or I hate them or something,
well sorry to disappoint but I don't. This is just a debate, it has a few lines of thinking and a few positions to take but really we could be discussing cheese or cows or something.
The only people I don't like are white people that have an arrogant liberalist view of the world, muslims only appear a lot because they are the group that gets fawned over the most by the PC brigade, but really they can pop round for tea and biscuits anytime.

You tell people to "get a grip", but how else could "name me one Muslim that the world needs" be interpreted other than saying that an entire group of people aren't fit for this earth?

Because it lacks context?

Someone questioned the value of Jews, and since they have won a significant number of Nobels, I therefore questioned the relative value of muslims.
Have muslims contributed anything or not, it's a simple question, not my fault if nobody knows the value of their own culture, I can think of several...

Name me one member of your family that the world needs.

It's a bit academic if they are dead don't you think?

 

[Boycey0211]

I think someone may have had a couple of beers.....

 

[Craterloads]

Nope, didn't say that...

And you don't know why but you think you can reject my post?
Happily you are wrong anyway:

Well that was you line of argument given you put so much emphasis on the fact they were all goat herders (as we now know that's not true) and how that some how (which you have failed to explain) undermined their rights to their land.

The Palestine Mandate
"..Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"

Not sure how forcibly removing the current native population going back generations and replacing it with European Jews fits within that. They have no more historical connection to the land than any other peoples living there for generations and generations, in fact less since they were European.

The last owners of Palestine was the Turkish Empire, administration then passed to the British, who then gave a mandate to the Jews.

At no point did anything ever belong to the Palestinian goat herding, wool weaving, wheat growing proletariat

The land belonged to the people actually living there for generations, whether that be Muslims, Jews or Christians with European Jews having none to very little claim.

You misunderstood entirely what he was saying, he was saying he understood what the Arabs feelings were on the matter and this is why he felt justified in resisting them with force.
Go back and research the full quote...

Have a look at the rest of his quotes, he didn't feel one ounce of sympathy for the Arabs.

Ironically you misunderstood what I was saying, the point was he acknowledged what the situation was on the ground which was they were stealing a country from the current owners. I did not imply anything regarding him feeling sympathy which of coarse he didn't as he was rather savage. Just a backdrop of the reality of the situation and why the arabs are right in their fight against what has gone on.

Nope, they were still there along with a few Christians, about a tenth of the arab population.

Exactly the ones living their had equal claim to their land just like the rest of the population. Nothing to do with ancient civalisaions living there a 1000 years ago for a short space of time, the ones that belonged there were already there, hence no need to artificially implant Europeans Jews with little to no ties to the land at the time.

Once again, the current native inhabitants did not own anything. You can say they had a moral right until you are blue in the face, but legally they didn't.

What are you on about, they lived on the land for generations and owned the land. Just because some random European Jews who claim god gave them land, doesn't trump that.

Isis just took over parts of Iran, might works for them.
Right and wrong are relative in that part of the world, but technically what is legal is also right.

Isis are not in Iran Nor are they right in any way shape or form in Iraq and not recognised by any nations or body.... Legality is spurious at best to out right illegal by any standards, its not like wrong decisions have not been made before....

It's odd for someone who trumps the civilised world, is rather quick to lower his standards to "might is right" when it suits him

Oh noes, craterloads fails to understand words that never happens normally...

Quite frankly you're becoming rather frantic and less coherent in every reply, guess your ropes up. Wait I have an idea for you, why not scream no one understands you and they are just being mean to poor old innocent you How about mod immunity, that works for you everytime, wait a minute.

 

[bitslice]

I'm more interested in you. Have you done anything of note in your lifetime? What?

Not a damn thing, you?

Considering you're the guy who hates an entire race because you think there's not a single one of them "worth having"... You must be out there doing great "noteable" things all the time, right?

You do have a gift for not understanding stuff, see post #184

 

[Craterloads]

Not a damn thing, you?

I gave up my flip flops to an old woman who lost hers, do you think I am worthy oh mighty one ?

You do have a gift for not understanding stuff, see post #184

Misunderstood again....

Honest question, are you capable of understanding how retarded your question was and line of argument was? Not to belittle you or anything but in situations like this it's far better just to hold your hands up and move along.

 

[ilcp]

come of it bitslice, the way you say things and your past behaviour, you really are back tracking arent you..

saying no muslim has ever done anything of great (except for advances in sciences/maths/astronomy which europeans copied).. and that world wouldnt miss them etc..

Are you still here btw? by your own posts, you should have done one as you havent done anything major either and the world doesnt need a racist..

 

[bitslice]

Well that was you line of argument given you put so much emphasis on the fact they were all goat herders (as we now know that's not true) and how that some how (which you have failed to explain) undermined their rights to their land.

I'm pretty sure that was your interpretation of what I said and not what I actually said.

Not sure how forcibly removing the current native population going back generations and replacing it with European Jews fits within that. They have no more historical connection to the land than any other peoples living there for generations and generations, in fact less since they were European.

Why don't you ask the British Foreign secretary at the time. Tell him he's wrong.

The land belonged to the people actually living there for generations, whether that be Muslims, Jews or Christians with European Jews having none to very little claim.

This really has to be the sixth time of saying, no the land didn't belong to them.

I'm sorry if you can't follow this, but standing on a bit of land for 1,000 years does not give you title to it. Ideally yes. In this world, no

Ironically you misunderstood what I was saying, the point was he acknowledged what the situation was on the ground which was they were stealing a country from the current owners. I did not imply anything regarding him feeling sympathy which of coarse he didn't as he was rather savage. Just a backdrop of the reality of the situation and why the arabs are right in their fight against what has gone on.

Then why did you say that it meant he thought they were in the right?

"They are in the right, even the Israeli Prime Minister at the time acknowledged it."

When he didn't say that.
Understanding someone's point of view doesn't make that view right.

Exactly the ones living their had equal claim to their land just like the rest of the population. Nothing to do with ancient civalisaions living there a 1000 years ago for a short space of time, the ones that belonged there were already there, hence no need to artificially implant Europeans Jews with little to no ties to the land at the time.

You are still confused with who owns the land

What are you on about, they lived on the land for generations and owned the land. Just because some random European Jews who claim god gave them land, doesn't trump that.

You are still confused with who owns the land

It's odd for someone who trumps the civilised world, is rather quick to lower his standards to "might is right" when it suits him

No, I've always thought that, it's pragmatic.
Although British diplomacy sucks so really we'd be in trouble if might didn't work out for us.

Quite frankly you're becoming rather frantic and less coherent in every reply

Really? not getting that feeling myself, are you sure I don't sound bored? Because that would be spot on, I don't really do frantic, sounds very energetic to me. Oh and rather fed up that I have to reply to another long pedantic post when I could be playing WoT. Triple XP today as well so I hope you've run out of stuff to say.
I preferred it when you just shouted "racist" at everyone rather than make me explain land ownership six times.

Wait I have an idea for you

Why don't you shout "racist bigoted islamaphobic, nonsense!!!)!)!"~!~!", that always works? You'll get another +1 from AK22 who likes to join in but doesn't have anything left to say, poor lad.

Difference is you actually believe in all the stuff you come out with, but this is just anti liberal propaganda to me
Swap 'muslim' for 'cheese' and it's the same debate.

Anyone else want a long uninteresting reply to their thoughts about me?
I'm not interested really but I'm sure you've figured that out. All the other boring ******* have had a go so don't feel shy.

 

[ak22]

I try to stick to topic and avoid idiotic trolls who can't even have serious discussion and comes up with childish analogy's , have you even stopped to read your comments ? and you wonder why people might think your bad person? Or why mods keep giving you temporary bans

If you can't see that your own mistakes then god help you.

 

[bitslice]

I try to stick to topic and avoid idiotic trolls who can't even have serious discussion and comes up with childish analogy's , have you even stopped to read your comments ? and you wonder why people might think your bad person? Or why mods keep giving you temporary bans

If you can't see that your own mistakes then god help you.

Haven't I already asked you to put me on ignore? Imagine a life without ever seeing a single post from me, that's got to be amazing yes?

I'm not even upset that you don't know what troll means

You do nothing but follow me around and slate me, or egg other people on to do the same. Just accept that there is no common ground here, that you believe Islam is perfect and the sun shines forth from every muslims bottom, and I don't really.

 

[Craterloads]

I'm pretty sure that was your interpretation of what I said and not what I actually said.

I sense a bit of back tracking here, it's odd considering you went on to attempt to defend said position... In fact a couple of other posters challenged you on said position too, I guess everyone just misunderstands you.

Why don't you ask the British Foreign secretary at the time. Tell him he's wrong.

I think the land/home owners at the time who were living there for generations and forcibly removed says it all.

This really has to be the sixth time of saying, no the land didn't belong to them.

Yes you repeatedly shouting this does not make it true.

I'm sorry if you can't follow this, but standing on a bit of land for 1,000 years does not give you title to it. Ideally yes. In this world, no

What world would that be where Europeans Jews have claims to land/homes lived on for generations by the native people of that country? How else was land / homes owned for the last few thousand years, you lived on it and it was passed down or legally bought.

What is amusing you keep going on about how the UN gave someone else's the land to the European Jews and how they are right. But given the UN has mandated almost or all Israeli Settlements as illegal under international law, the very same Jews they handed someone else's homes to, fail to recognise every single one of them UN resolutions .... Cant have it both ways, speaks volumes on the UN doesn't it.

Then why did you say that it meant he thought they were in the right?

"They are in the right, even the Israeli Prime Minister at the time acknowledged it."

When he didn't say that.
Understanding someone's point of view doesn't make that view right.

I didn't, I said they are in the right, even the Israeli Prime Minister at the time acknowledged it. Aka they were right to defend their lands. He knew this and said it flat out. It's in plain English and easy to follow.

You are still confused with who owns the land


You are still confused with who owns the land

It's pretty clear cut, you favour land/home ownership by European Jews than the actual land/home owners that actually live there...It's pretty clear. Not that that makes you right.

and that's not what the sentence says either,
dude, it was only eleven words, it wasn't complicated.

"Isis just took over parts of Iran, might works for them." The 11 words you cant even read back without confusing yourself. Ill repeat, Isis have not taken over any parts of Iran.....

No, I've always thought that, it's pragmatic.
Although British diplomacy sucks so really we'd be in trouble if might didn't work out for us.

Pragmatic when it suits you, like I said.

Really? not getting that feeling myself, are you sure I don't sound bored? Because that would be spot on, I don't really do frantic, sounds very energetic to me. Oh and rather fed up that I have to reply to another long pedantic post when I could be playing WoT. Triple XP today as well so I hope you've run out of stuff to say.
I preferred it when you just shouted "racist" at everyone rather than make me explain land ownership six times.

Its funny since that's all you have been shouting, I think I can speak for everyone if we hear you scream people are being mean to you or mod immunity we will just ban ourselves to stop you throwing your toys out of the pram every 5 seconds when people point out the ludicrousness of your "points".

Why don't you shout "racist bigoted islamaphobic, nonsense!!!)!)!"~!~!", that always works? You'll get another +1 from AK22 who likes to join in but doesn't have anything left to say, poor lad.

Difference is you actually believe in all the stuff you come out with, but this is just anti liberal propaganda to me
Swap 'muslim' for 'cheese' and it's the same debate.

Anyone else want a long uninteresting reply to their thoughts about me?
I'm not interested really but I'm sure you've figured that out. All the other boring ******* have had a go so don't feel shy.

No need, you do that resoundingly well yourself, in fact I would say your a bit of an expert of showing yourself up

 

[Craterloads]

You do nothing but follow me around and slate me, or egg other people on to do the same. Just accept that there is no common ground here, that you believe Islam is perfect and the sun shines forth from every muslims bottom, and I don't really.

This is a thread about Israel/Palestine conflict, you seem to drag every topic remotely related to Muslims even when the said topic isn't about the faith itself in a slanging match on how bad you think Islam is. Hence the keeping on topic point by AK, proven by arguments you have made in this thread which I can name a few. In fact you bring up Muslims in topics not even about Muslims, it seems that's all you do, then you wonder why people call you out for what you are.

 

[ak22]

Haven't I already asked you to put me on ignore? Imagine a life without ever seeing a single post from me, that's got to be amazing yes?

I'm not even upset that you don't know what troll means

You do nothing but follow me around and slate me, or egg other people on to do the same. Just accept that there is no common ground here, that you believe Islam is perfect and the sun shines forth from every muslims bottom, and I don't really.

Ow really I follow you around ? more like you come into any thread that has the smallest relation to Islam and talk ****. You are the one who replied to my post in last thread, then calming i am follow you around? and asking me to put you on ignore ? Then you mention me in this thread .. do you not expect a response?

I believe you need learn the understanding of troll

Troll :

Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

You sir are delusional

 

[Craterloads]

The majority of the lands in Palestine were the properties of the Palestinian rural population, the fellahin. In the process of the creation of the state of Israel, over 418 Palestinian villages were depopulated and destroyed. Bedouin semi-nomadic tribes were displaced and 104 Palestinian populated villages remained under Israeli control.

Understanding the culture of the fellahin is key to understanding the system of land ownership in Palestine. Referring to the fellahin of Palestine as peasants, as they are often referred to, is an unfair misrepresentation of Palestinian society and culture to say the very least. A peasant in European culture is a farming worker with little or no land ownership. The fellahin of Palestine are rural farming communities with communal shared ownership of the land and own the means of cultivation.

The concept of the peasant did exist in the culture of the fellahin and the term applied to it is qatruz. The qatruz is a farming worker with little or no land ownership that has no possession of working animals. The qatruz would work for landowners for a share of the harvest. Although the concept of the peasant (qatruz) existed in Palestinian society, it was not widespread due to the communal nature of the culture of the fellahin.

To understand the land ownership system in the society of the fellahin, one needs to understand the concept of the feddan. There is widespread misconception that the feddan is a unit of measurement for an area of land. This is an inaccurate understanding of the concept. The feddan is a measurement of a share of land that varies in size from village to village and may vary from year to year, even within the same village.

Villages owned their land collectively by the village residents or by the hamoula (family). Physical features and traditional names of lands were used to describe the boundaries of a certain village land and were respected by neighboring villages. In the plowing and seeding season, lands were divided between village residents every fall based on ability to cultivate. Zalameh wa 'ammal (a man and a working animal) would get one feddan share. A man without 'ammal would get half a feddan. A man would get half a feddan for each additional working animal he owned that was available for work.

This system was used by the villages for the distribution of ardh as-sahil (the lands of the fields) for cultivation. The concept is still used today in some villages in the West Bank. In the village of Sanour between Nablus and Jenin, residents of the village have collective ownership of Marj Sanour (the Sanour Plains). The residents of Sanour divide the land among themselves every year based on manpower. With the introduction of tractors, the working animal is no longer counted. The new measurement of share today is zalameh (a man), which is based on the man only. People get a zalameh, half a zalameh, or a quarter zalameh as their share today. In the mountains or the hillside, people had individual or family ownership of orchards or land with trees (ardh mushajjara). Ownership was based on planting and maintaining trees or by inheritance. Boundaries marked by the cactus trees or sinisleh (walls built by collecting stones and stacking them at the boundaries) were respected by everyone. Boundaries for grazing grounds for the semi-nomadic tribes were also respected out of tradition with reference to land names.

In 1858 the Ottoman Authority introduced the law of tabu to establish rights of land ownership. Landowners were instructed to have their property inscribed in the land register. The tabu was resisted by the fellahin. They saw a threat to their community in registering their land for two main reasons: 1) the cultivated fields were classified as ardh ameriyeh (the land of the emirate) and were taxed, so owners of registered fertile land were forced to pay tax on it; 2) data from the land register were used by the Turkish Army for the purpose of the draft. Owners of registered lands were often drafted to fight with the Turkish Army in Russia.

The Turkish Land Register was not able to document the state of land ownership in Palestine (Falah, 1983). People continued their traditional communal ownership of the land. This tradition continued with the exception of some families or individuals who took advantage of the loose manner in which the tabu registered lands. They registered large pieces of land that were not necessarily theirs in their names, especially those who held positions in government.

Under the British system, the Land Settlement Ordinance was introduced in 1928. Rights of ownership were confirmed only after the land survey was completed. The registration of land was to be in the names of specific individuals and not in the name of the village, the family, or the tribe (Falah, 1983). This was an attempt to break village or tribe solidarity and an effort to promote the capitalist system of private ownership and individualism. The British Land Settlement Ordinance was resisted by fellahin society mainly because it did not allow for their tradition of collective ownership. Individual ownership posed a threat to the power structure in the village social order. The village mukhtar and wujuh el-'alih (the notables of the family) and the Bedouin tribes' sheikhs took their power from this system of collective land ownership.

In addition to the practical reason mentioned above, the fellahin saw the land register as an insult to tradition. This system had been working for generations as an efficient and fair use and distribution of the land. The fellahin were also too proud to involve the government in the protection of their land. It has been said that when the land register arrived at the village of Al-silehal-harthiyeh, west of Jenin, to register their land, the reply by the mukhtar of the Jaradat family was "lesh insajilha, hay il-ardh u hay el-asayel fiha, khalli izalameh yiqareb alayha" (Why register it, this is the land and here are the Arabian horses on it. Let he who dares come near it). The Arabian horses are a symbol of power. The Jaradat family still cultivates their land today and does not have any form of deed or title to it.

At the time of the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 and its success in taking control of the majority of Palestine, most of the lands in the rural areas were owned by the villages collectively and there was little individual land ownership in the countryside or for the members of the Bedouin tribes. This traditional system of ownership that existed for generations on the land was not recognized by Israel.

Jewish Land Ownership in Palestine

The process of land acquisition by the Jewish agencies and the Israeli government in Palestine is a rather complex intertwined process. An effort is made here to shed light on these processes as briefly as possible. Most of the information presented here is compiled from Sabri Jiriye's work on the subject, which is based on Israeli government records.

Once the Zionist movement adopted the idea of establishing a Jewish national home in Palestine, it approved buying land in Palestine at its sixth convention in 1903. The movement was successful in buying the first land in 1905 and in 1907 the Jewish National Fund (Kayron Kayem) was officially registered in Britain. Its goals were declared to buy lands in Palestine. This was the Zionist central arm for land acquisition in Palestine (Jiryis, 1973).

After 42 years of organized well-funded efforts on the part of the Zionist organization, the total Jewish ownership of land in Palestine in 1947 was 1,734,000 dunums or 1,734 square kilometers, which is 6.6% of the total land. The Jewish National Fund owned 933,000 dunums out of the total Jewish-owned land of Palestine (Jiryis, 1973). Some of these lands were sold to the Zionist Agency by individuals who were not the rightful owners of the land, but used their positions in previous governments to register large portions of lands to their names.

The Palestinian land confiscation for Jewish settlement started well before the establishment of the state of Israel. The British Authority in Palestine was preparing the country for the creation of the Jewish national homeland. The mandatory authority introduced the Woods and Forest Ordinance in 1920, which was designed to confiscate lands that were largely utilized as grazing grounds by the Bedouin community and the rural population. These lands were then classified as state forest owned by the state. Table 1 shows the acceleration of this confiscation process. The forest reserves were defined by the British Authority as "provincial reservation of scrub areas which are being protected so far as possible pending land settlement" (Falah, 1983, p. 29).

With the establishment of the state of Israel on May 15, 1948, these lands were regarded as Israeli state lands. As Israel took control of all the territories that were allocated to the Jewish state in addition to nearly 50% of the territories allocated to the Arab state under the 1947 UN partition plan, a total of 15,025,000 dunum were considered state lands. These lands include the lands that were classified as forest by the British Authority and any other lands that were not titled to individuals i.e. village lands (Jiryis, 1973). The state also implemented measures and passed various laws that were employed to transfer land ownership to the Jewish agencies and settlements.

On May 13, 1948, two days before the declaration of independence of the state of Israel, Ben Gurion summoned the administration of the Jewish National Fund, offering to sell to the agency two million dunums of the lands under Jewish militia control at a price of half a Lira per dunum. The Jewish National Fund rejected the deal but accepted it after the declaration of independence (Jiryis, 1973).

As a result of the 1948 war and the armistice agreements Israel reached with Egypt and Jordan, Israel controlled 20.5 million dunums of the total land of Palestine, representing 78% of the land. The vast majority of these lands were owned by Palestinian residents who were evacuated from their villages or who fled their homes during the war.

In September 1948 a Trustee on Absentee Properties was appointed by the state of Israel and the state issued measures to organize the seizure and the allocation of these properties. On March 15, 1950 the Israeli Knesset passed the Law of the Absentee Properties Law #5710. This law considered, among other factors, the Trustee on the Absentee Properties as the legitimate owner of these properties and gave him the authority to sell and transfer ownership of such properties to the Israeli Department of Construction and Development (Jiryis, 1973).

In September 1953 the Trustee on Absentee Properties executed a contract with the Israeli Department of Construction and Development whereby he transferred ownership of all the lands under his control to the department. The price for these properties was to be retained by the Israeli Department of Construction and Development as a loan. At the same time, the Trustee on the Absentee Properties transferred the ownership of the houses and commercial buildings in the cities to Amidar, an Israeli company set up to settle Jewish immigrants (Jiryis, 1973).

Three months before this transfer of ownership to the Department of Construction and Development, the Jewish National Fund had executed a contract with the Israeli Department of Construction and Development whereby the department would sell a total of 2,373,677 dunums of state lands and lands of the department to the Jewish National Fund. The deal was completed after the department completed its transaction with the Trustee. Following this transaction, the Jewish National Fund "ownership" totaled over 90% of the total territories that fell under the control of the state of Israel. These properties are referred to as the "nation's land" limited to the use of Jews (Jiryis, 1973).

The third phase of Israeli land acquisition in Palestine was the confiscation of the lands of the remaining Palestinian villages in what is now Israel. The Israelis used military, acts of ethnic cleansing along with legal maneuvers to confiscate these lands.

Ethnic Cleansing and Land Confiscation

The ethnic cleansing campaign started in the 1948 war where by the Jewish militias ethnicly cleansed 418 Palestinian villages, seized their properties and depopulated 11 Palestinian cities and took them for their own use. The 1948 war was not the only cycle of ethnic cleansing, between October 1948 to November 1949, the Israeli army evacuated the villages of al-Safsaf, Iqrit, Kufr Biram, Kufr 'Anan, Khasas, Jau'neh, Qayttiyeh, al-Ghabasiyya, al-Majdal, and al-Battat and later seized all of their properties. In 1951 the Israeli army evacuated 13 villages in the triangle area and seized their properties. In October 1956 the Israeli army forced the Palestinian Bedouin tribe al-Bakara to cross the border into Syria. In October 1959 some Bedouin tribes in the Negev desert were forced to cross the borders into Egypt and Jordan. The lands for all these villages and tribes were confiscated after their cleansing (Jiryis, 1973).

Legal Maneuvers

The Israeli government was so concerned to legalize its confiscation process in the Israeli legal system in order to legitimize its ownership of confiscated properties. Various laws were introduced to accomplish this task. When the Absentee Law was introduced, it considered all the properties of the exiled Palestinians as absentee property. It also considered any person who left his home between November 29, 1947 (the UN partition of Palestine) and June 19, 1948 (the day the Israeli government declared an end to the state of emergency) an absentee as well. According to this definition of an absentee, over 30,000 Palestinians who remained in what became Israel after the war were considered absentees and their properties were confiscated. Also under the absentee law, the properties of the Islamic endowments were all confiscated (Jiryis, 1973). These legal maneuvers continued from the 1950's to the present as the Israeli government introduced various laws to present some "logic" to its policies of land confiscation from their rightful owners.

The Use of Emergency Laws

Law 125 gives the military officers the discretion to declare certain areas closed military areas where people can only enter such an area by permit from the Israeli Army Chief of Staff. The Israeli Army considered the 12 villages in the Galilee as closed military zones and prevented their residents from returning to them after orders of evacuation for security purposes (Jiryis, 1973).

The Use of Security Zones Law 5709 granted the Defense Minister the authority to declare any area within a 35 Kilometer-wide stretch along the Lebanese border and near Gaza as a closed security zone and granted him the ability to order residents of such areas to evacuate for security reasons. The villages of Iqrit and Kufr Biram were declared security zones and evacuated on November 5, 1948. Later on December 25, 1951 the village of Iqrit was destroyed and its lands totaling 15,650 dunums were confiscated. The village of Kufr Biram was destroyed on September 16, 1953 and the village lands totaling 11,700 dunums were also confiscated. Also the village of Khasas near the Syrian border was evacuated under the same law in 1949 (Jiryis, 1973).

The Introduction of Utilization of Vacant Lands Laws

These regulations granted the Ministry of Agriculture the ability to acquire any unutilized lands that are "neglected" or "abandoned" by its owners to ensure proper and efficient use. Using Article 24 of Law 5709 of these regulations, the Ministry of Agriculture legalized some Kibbutz seizure of neighboring Palestinian villages' lands (Jiryis, 1973).

These laws were used in conjunction with security laws to confiscate lands. The Army would declare an area as a closed military zone, barring farmers from reaching their fields. At a later point the Ministry of Agriculture issued confiscation orders regarding these fields due to 'neglect' by their owners. And then the army officers would issue permits for the settlers to whom the lands were assigned by the Department of Agriculture.

Introduction of Measures to Confiscate Properties in the Palestinian Cities Law 5710, Article 3, grants the government the right to appoint a Special Authority that has the right to issue orders to confiscate real estate that "may be necessary for the protection of the country and general security or for the absorption of returnees or for the relief of discharged soldiers. This law at first limited the use of such properties to a period of three years. Then before the end of the term, the period was extended for six more years. And then, before the end of the six years, it was adjusted to give the right to the Special Authority to extend the term indefinitely if the Authority considers it necessary for the general security of Israel (Jiryis, 1973).

The second phase of seizing the properties of the Palestinians living in what is now Israel was the transfer of ownership of these properties to Jewish hands. In 1953 Law 5713 was introduced which granted the Minister of Finance the ability to transfer ownership of properties confiscated by the previous laws over the last five years to the Israeli Department of Construction and Development. Article 2 of this law states that if the Minister of Finance issues a certificate on a property, it must meet the following three conditions:


1. It was not as of April 1, 1952 under the control of its owner.

2. It was designated for the period between July 14, 1948 and April 1, 1952 for development, settlement, or security.

3. The property is still needed for any of the purposes in item 2.

If a property meets these conditions, then the property will be transferred to the ownership of the Israeli Department of Construction and Development (Jiryis, 1973).

During the 1950s the government of Israel transferred ownership of the majority of the lands that belonged to the Palestinians who remained in what became Israel to the state. A total of 704,809 dunums were lost from the lands of 78 populated Palestinian villages. These figures do not include an additional 26 villages.

Similarly, the Palestinian Bedouin community in the Negev desert suffered a similar loss in land in the same period. However, since the Bedouin community owned vast pieces of land as fields and grazing grounds, Israel is still on a continuous campaign to seize more of their lands by limiting their movement and forcing their urbanization through orders of security concerns. The process of land confiscation of the Palestinian residents of what is now Israel continues to this day, but on a smaller scale in the Galilee and continues on a large scale in the south region.

The next round of Israeli land acquisition was the occupation of the remaining Palestinian territories, the West Bank and Gaza, in June 1967. Israel used the same methods for confiscation of the lands in the West Bank and Gaza. The lands that were classified as forest under the British rule were confiscated as state lands. The use of the Absentee Law was used in the West Bank and Gaza in the same manner. Other lands were confiscated for military use or security purposes. The final phase of transferring the lands Israel confiscated in the West Bank and Gaza is being carried out today through the Oslo Peace Process.

 

[bitslice]

and asking me to put you on ignore ?

I didn't say I was going to ignore you,
don't make threads ranting about imaginary News Broadcasting conspiracies if you don't want replies.

I gave up my flip flops to an old woman who lost hers, do you think I am worthy oh mighty one ?

Nope, totally can't match that.

Hey, that makes you a muslim that the world needs,
"Craterloads #1 muslim"

I'd get some cards printed if I were you.

Honest question, are you capable of understanding how retarded your question was and line of argument was? Not to belittle you or anything but in situations like this it's far better just to hold your hands up and move along.

What hate?
Prawn flavour crisps don't have a purpose, I don't hate them.


Why does everything have to revolve around hate for you?
If I say something is silly then according to you I must "hate" it,
No I don't, it's just I think is silly

.. and that world wouldnt miss them etc..

It's a hypothetical question, if one group of people ceased to exist, is the world better or worse off?

We have in Islam a group of people who think they are perfect and everyone else is wrong, yet they do appear to be at the centre of world conflicts.

The context is relevant because both sides talk in the rhetoric of the extinction of the other, or at least that's what Hammas have said in the past, the the extinction of the Jews is their ultimate aim.

Actually don't bother, just call it 'racist' and move on.

 

[asim18]

Not a damn thing, you?

So wait a minute, you've come in here with your look at me I'm so great and Muslims are all **** because they've never done a thing, attitude... I would have thought you had a long and referenced list of all the greater things you, your family and acquaintances have done which would give you the right to question the lack of things others, nay a whole populace and race, have done.

You sir, are text book troll.

 

[Craterloads]

Nope, totally can't match that.

Hey, that makes you a muslim that the world needs,
"Craterloads #1 muslim"

I'd get some cards printed if I were you.

“How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a weary world.”

“Every time you do a good deed you shine the light a little farther into the dark. And the thing is, when you're gone that light is going to keep shining on, pushing the shadows back.”

“if you do one good deed your reward usually is to be set to do another and harder and better one.”

What hate?
Prawn flavour crisps don't have a purpose, I don't hate them.


Why does everything have to revolve around hate for you?
If I say something is silly then according to you I must "hate" it,
No I don't, it's just I think is silly

I'm sorry but what you quoted and stated bear no relationship captain

It's a hypothetical question, if one group of people ceased to exist, is the world better or worse off?

You don't see how silly that is?

We have in Islam a group of people who think they are perfect and everyone else is wrong, yet they do appear to be at the centre of world conflicts.

That's the Jews, and how they are the chosen people and how the blood of gentiles is comparable to cattle

Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989: "Jewish blood and a goy's [gentile's] blood are not the same."


Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

The context is relevant because both sides talk in the rhetoric of the extinction of the other, or at least that's what Hammas have said in the past, the the extinction of the Jews is their ultimate aim.

I don't think they mind Jews living where they belong, just the Israelis who have moved in and stolen there homes, oppressed them and committed magnitudes of war crimes against their people. In fact there was a healthy Jewish population in Palestine living peacefully until the European Zionist ones moved in..

 

[chief barker]

Let's face it fellas, cultures/religions and races don't mix well

 

[bitslice]

So wait a minute, you've come in here with your look at me I'm so great

citation needed.

and Muslims are all **** because they've never done a thing

Well, post golden age, what did you do that was interesting?

attitude...

I think it was more factual than attitude, attitude would imply I care and I don't.

I would have thought you had a long and referenced list of all the greater things you, your family and acquaintances have done which would give you the right to question the lack of things others,

Why would I think a personal perceptive was valid, you are the people doing the personal stuff here.

nay a whole populace and race, have done.

Well we did have a thread on this where I pointed out the derivative nature of the architecture and the almost total lack of artistic expression and so on, but it got banned so maybe it's not allowed to point these things out?