Poll: General election voting round 4

[jas72]

thanks for the approval McGray

Would prefer question two to be answered more than immigration which is in my opinion a side show. I hope Farage gets elected just so he can ask awkward questions at PMs questions.

 

[Mr Jack]

Farage was a disgrace in the EU parliament, I see no reason to believe he would be better in ours.

 

[ubersonic]

Farage was a disgrace in the EU parliament, I see no reason to believe he would be better in ours.

Well to be fair, he isn't going to walk into Westminster and tell people their country is ****. That's better no?

 

[robgmun]

I know nothing of UKIP's policies and the only thing I read from its supporters is immigration and we want our rights back from Brussels.

You do know there's a full blown UKIP manifesto you can read right?

http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015

Knock yourself out buddy

 

[McPhee]

Wow so many UKIP voters....

Which policies does UKIP want to remove from Brussels apart form immigration?

What % of the UK population is made up of immigrants?

What % of EU immigrants are unemployed? and what % of the UK population is it?


Also which policies do you think that Brussels has control of that should be transferred back into UK hands?

Did you really have to? We've only just (finally) moved on from page after page of this to something else.

 

[ubersonic]

You do know there's a full blown UKIP manifesto you can read right?

http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015

Knock yourself out buddy

I didn't realise that UKIP were anti-HS2 before, kind of flies in the face of everything Farage has said bigging up Victorian Britain lol.

 

[D.P.]

Conservatives would be the largest party though, which means they'll get the first chance to form a government though.

For the 10th, there is absolutely no such rule.

 

[robgmun]

I didn't realise that UKIP were anti-HS2 before, kind of flies in the face of everything Farage has said bigging up Victorian Britain lol.

So you admit you're wrong then?

 

[D.P.]

According to those numbers, the Conservatives would have the largest number of MPs and Labour + SNP wouldn't be enough to form a government.

Largest number MPs is meaningless if you can't form a majority agreement.
Form those results Millband will be prime minister.

It is basically impossible for the conservative to remain in power.

The whole labour-SNP thing is meaningless. The total number of anti-Tory seats will exceed anti-labour, even if SNP get 55 seats.

There is an exceedingly remote possibility that the conservatives can form a rainbow government that hinges on so a many marginal seats going there way, the ukip getting destroyed, the LibDems winning every marginal seats with labour, and host of other unlikely events, e.g. Lib dems willing to work with DUP.

 

[Sunbed]

I really don't get the fundamental argument of UKIP. They argue that uncontrolled immigration has a knock on effect on our infrastructure. However, it is a fact that EU migrant workers make a positive fiscal contribution, more so than 'native' workers and non-EU migrant workers. So, if EU migrant workers are bringing more money in, why not just spend it on infrastructure, thus enabling our economy to grow further?

It seems to me like UKIP will just harm business and stifle economic growth.

 

[ubersonic]

So you admit you're wrong then?

I think you've confused me with the guy you were arguing with lol

 

[Skidder]

You do know there's a full blown UKIP manifesto you can read right?

It's almost like they're a real party......almost.

 

[robgmun]

And now it seems that the much touted economic recovery that the coalition had finally managed after the long, long period of stagnant growth is already dissipating with GDP growth down to 0.3%: m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32493745.

We're back to sub-trend growth on both the monthly and annual scale. Does anyone still believe the OBR's optimistic predictions for growth in 2015?

OH MY GOD EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!

 

[elmarko]

Doesn't seem fair that UKIP will get many more votes than Lib Dem but will be represented by only a handful of seats.

The same applies to all entities, even the bigger ones.

In many parts down south Labour get's 20%+ of the vote but no seats, the exact same happens in Scotland with anybody other than the SNP (predicted).

 

[D.P.]

The same applies to all entities, even the bigger ones.

In many parts down south Labour get's 20%+ of the vote but no seats, the exact same happens in Scotland with anybody other than the SNP (predicted).

The Greens will get far more votes than the SNP but will likely get 1 seats vs the SNP who will get 50-55.


The fact that the SNP will do so well highlights the fact that party size doesn't give a benefit to FPTP system, same with lib dems. You simply need the most likeable, votable candidate in the consistency. The big parties get screwed by the same system. In a seat where the Tries get 36% and Labour 35% then the Tories get to represent despite practically the same number of Labour voters.



The reason the Lib Dems do well is they field candidates with broad appeal that can take votes form both labour and the Tories. The reason the UKIP wont get many seats is that a majority of people despise them, many of the candidates re terrible and end up in the papers, and there is no broad appeal.
And the latter point is the same for the Greens, Ge green party doesn't steal many votes form labour/libdems/Tories, so they wont win that many seats.
The party also has to be tactical, the Lib Dems focus efforts on seats that they can win, not on seats where they are a distant third or a Labour/Tory majority is inevitable. Most seats just cannot be taken. there is really only around 50-70 seats of interest.


IF you want to win seats you need broad appeal and good candidates.

 

[D.P.]

I really don't get the fundamental argument of UKIP. They argue that uncontrolled immigration has a knock on effect on our infrastructure. However, it is a fact that EU migrant workers make a positive fiscal contribution, more so than 'native' workers and non-EU migrant workers. So, if EU migrant workers are bringing more money in, why not just spend it on infrastructure, thus enabling our economy to grow further?

It seems to me like UKIP will just harm business and stifle economic growth.

Pretty much why they don't make any logical sense.

There are many valid solutions and debates that could be proposed but logical evidence based argument are thrown out the door and everything circles around "they took arrrr jerrrbss!!"

For example, despite the fact that there is no evidence that immigration causes wage depression a simple solution to this is to make it illegal to pay immigrants less than the local average salary for that job. Such regulation is not needed because there is no evidence to support the requirements, hwoever, if you were so worried abut wage depression then that is a very simple and effective way to ensure it can't happen.

But the UKIP don't present such policies because that isn't what they actually care about, they just don't want foreigners living in Britain. Half their voters admit they are racist, so the manifesto reflect their racist followers and instead of having rational policies just seeks to block immigration for 5 years and suchlike nonsense which would be incredibly damaging for British businesses.

 

[joeyjojo]

OH MY GOD EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!

Probably not quite the response Jack was going for. Just more evidence that we shouldn't believe anything Osborne says on the "recovery" (rather, lack of), nor should the general public hold the Conservatives in such high regards when it comes to the economy.

 

[scorza]

The same applies to all entities, even the bigger ones.

In many parts down south Labour get's 20%+ of the vote but no seats, the exact same happens in Scotland with anybody other than the SNP (predicted).

We had our chance to improve it.

 

[estebanrey]

The fact that the SNP will do so well highlights the fact that party size doesn't give a benefit to FPTP system, same with lib dems. You simply need the most likeable, votable candidate in the consistency.

What has that got to do with FPTP? That the Parliamentary Constituencies system we have.

 

[Snookums]

I just can't wait to see yet another hung Parliament which then represents no ones views....