And let's not forget...where was the most wanted man in the world hiding?
Are India and Pakistan about to have another showdown?
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And let's not forget...where was the most wanted man in the world hiding?
If Pakistan is harbouring terrorists then it's difficult to support retaliation, that said India should be sharing their intelligence so Pakistan can deal with the camps themselves, assuming they don't already know about them which is hard to believe., and if they do know but refuse to do anything about then i have no sympathy at all for them.
Knowing how strongly these people love their country. They rather die then lie.
As far as I’m aware the video recordings, pictures were not from PAF at first. They were from civilians uploading to social media.
Im not denying that he didn’t get hit across his head when they initially captured him as shown on video but that was by civilians, and it was wrong to do. The PAK army was telling them to stop and not to hit him.
I mean once you capture a guy that will possibly attack your country, you won’t invite him to have a go on your missus after will you?
India said after the strike that they hit the biggest terrorist training camp in Pakistani history. Pakistan replied they hit an empty area of forest and damaged some trees. So someone is fibbing.
Not surprised since the Indian elections are coming up.
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of course they are harbouring terrorists much like a lot of the middle east. publically it will always be denied for obvious reasons but behind closed doors they support them.
I'm referring to the interview!!! He's already in custody at that point.
And we're back with the - well at least they didn't let them kill him argument...
All rather irrelevant - the point was simply that you made a claim re: him being treated with dignity and respect and that claim is clearly false....
Quoting me yet again with the same weak arguments about the beating not being too bad, the soldiers making sure it didn't go too far/making a half assed effort to put a stop to it etc.. doesn't change that.
Seems a lot of the initial belligerence (albeit in response to an attack) was for domestic consumption, not expecting much of a response, and it has backfired. This is what concerns me as there are elements on both sides who are backing themselves into corners they can't easily back down from.
From my perspective your side of the argument was barely any more objective than dowie's. They've (as in officially) not exactly mistreated him and the (seemingly minor fortunately) harm that did come to him before that wasn't in the hands of the military or apparently tacitly allowed by the military through inaction, etc. but on the other hand respect and dignity is pushing it a bit.
And here’s a video of him praising the Pakistani armed forces that captured him
https://youtu.be/OcD0ugy1tRc
Even made him a cup of tea as well
And here’s a video of him praising the Pakistani armed forces that captured him
https://youtu.be/OcD0ugy1tRc
Even made him a cup of tea as well
So yeh doesn’t exactly fit your above statement.
What doesn't fit my statement?
They made him a cup of tea? I never made any claims about making or not making him any cups of tea???
I would again point out that he's currently a prisoner of war.
How was his claim more objective? He claimed they've treated him with "respect and dignity" - they didn't exactly stop the locals beating him, a token effort was made, of course they're not going to let things get too far or let them kill him. They filmed him/interviewed him and the footage has been released for the world to see.
Objectively they've not treated him with "respect and dignity" - that isn't just "pushing it a bit" it is objectively wrong. See reference to Geneva convention too.
Didn't mean to imply his was more objective - turn of phrase probably didn't translate very well.
I've not seen anything that substantiates the Pakistani military being in any way complicit with the beating? or of being involved in "not letting things go too far". While they've not treated him to the letter of the Geneva convention with behaviour that falls short of dignity and respect at the same time they don't appear at an official level to have mistreated him either.
EDIT: I take that back actually - not sure if I can post the video here but there were minor military ranks present while he was being mistreated it was only when senior ranks turned up things quickly changed. I'd only previously seen the before and then after bit when senior ranks got involved.
EDIT2: Can't post the video here as OcUK still filters the link but there is a video that shoots down what Vita was saying unfortunately.
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A nuclear war would be fun to watch as that would be proper TV entertainment.
Due to the wind patterns in that part of the world most of the fallout will likely be blown towards the Arabian peninsula and the Horn of Africa. ** provocative comment removed **
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I'm sure I read somewhere that an India Pakistan nuclear exchange would destroy much of the ozone layer - so would be bad...
My GF is Indian. Let's do lunch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tnY2osWWAM
YouTube version - that isn't exactly respect and dignity.
(Not really sure how I feel about posting that but it is better to handle these things with as much fact as possible).
Worst case scenario (and highly unlikely to happen even if they do engage in a nuclear exchange) would see 1.2-1.5C temperature drop globally and around 2 years of poor crop harvests, etc.
3rd world countries, etc. especially that rely on aid would suffer very badly as first world countries would have their hands full trying to keep their own citizens from starving.
EDIT: This is the nucleardarkness take on it http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/fivemilliontonsofsmoke/
YouTube version - that isn't exactly respect and dignity.
(Not really sure how I feel about posting that but it is better to handle these things with as much fact as possible).
Worst case scenario (and highly unlikely to happen even if they do engage in a nuclear exchange) would see 1.2-1.5C temperature drop globally and around 2 years of poor crop harvests, etc.
3rd world countries, etc. especially that rely on aid would suffer very badly as first world countries would have their hands full trying to keep their own citizens from starving.
EDIT: This is the nucleardarkness take on it http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/fivemilliontonsofsmoke/
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