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I honestly dont think it matters all that much if Zelensky has some dodgy dealing in his closet (and I could well believe he has), imo pretty much all politicians are dodgy in one way or another, the average national parliament building has more bent people in it than a scoliosis convention. Fact is that despite my own spidey senses being a little tingly when I see Zelensky on the tv, there is no doubt he has been inspirational throughout this so far and been exactly what Ukraine and its people have needed.
 
It looks like a Win/Win situation for Poland - they get rid of their fairly aged MiG-29 fleet (updated in '13 but not even close to "modern" standards) which were already creaking with a poor supply chain and they're getting additional F-16's in return (my guess would be Block 40/42 rather than 50/52's) which despite their age have far better avionics than the MiG's their losing, plus they make the problem of "Russia getting annoyed" by giving them to the US making it an American issue to get them handed over to Ukraine so anything bad happens Poland can go "not my fault".
 
EddScott said:
Personally, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt here.
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Absolutely! A mans true colours are shown in times of extreme pressure and hardship, Zelensky has shown himself to be a truly inspirational leader, I could only wish we had someone like that.
 
ianh said:
It looks like a Win/Win situation for Poland - they get rid of their fairly aged MiG-29 fleet (updated in '13 but not even close to "modern" standards) which were already creaking with a poor supply chain and they're getting additional F-16's in return, which my guess would be Block 40/42 which have far better avionics than the MiG's their losing, plus they make the problem of "Russia getting annoyed" by giving them to the US making it an American issue to get them handed over to Ukraine so anything bad happens Poland can go "not my fault".
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and Ukraine can fly them.
 
Tombstone said:
I honestly dont think it matters all that much if Zelensky has some dodgy dealing in his closet
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As far as I am aware his 'dodgy dealings' amount to having an offshore account (pre-election) and that he hired someone a few years earlier than he should have.
Its pretty laughable to even make out that hes like some mega corrupt leader...the evidence for that certainly is not there in the slightest.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
You pulled that bolded statement right out of your ass. I also never stated what they were hypocritical about so another ******** statement about my "logic". Nice try with strawman though, better luck next time.


Washout used Reflect.
He hurt himself in his own confusion.
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You're right, perhaps I did build a strawman argument there if you don't think we should be involved for reasons other than because of the wests previous actions in the middle east. Apologies if so.
But then enlighten me as I'm curious. What is the hypocritical viewpoint you're seeing in here? Everyone else that's said that of folks in here were directly referencing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
robfosters said:
Not being able to get Maccies, Starbucks, coke, kfc etc is gonna seriously **** the young generation off
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Wait......a ...... minute......

Our first lockdown..........were we being sanctioned? Did COVID even exist? Where we working from home to avoid congregating in built up cities?

Chaps I think we were in a secret war????
 
iamtheoneneo said:
As far as I am aware his 'dodgy dealings' amount to having an offshore account (pre-election) and that he hired someone a few years earlier than he should have.
Its pretty laughable to even make out that hes like some mega corrupt leader...the evidence for that certainly is not there in the slightest.
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Given that I think that all leaders are corrupt in some way or other, I would agree with you, he isnt a mega corrupt leader and is most likely no more or less corrupt than the average politician.
 
dLockers said:
Wait......a ...... minute......

Our first lockdown..........were we being sanctioned? Did COVID even exist? Where we working from home to avoid congregating in built up cities?

Chaps I think we were in a secret war????
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Even during lockdown I could get Maccies and KFC delivered
 
robfosters said:
Not being able to get Maccies, Starbucks, coke, kfc etc is gonna seriously **** the young generation off
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No Netflix, YouTube, Facebook, twitter etc

Hasn't Microsoft pulled out as well so no xbox live? Not sure on that one.

Could back fire and just send a load of angry teenagers into "Putin Youth" clubs
 
dLockers said:
and Ukraine can fly them.
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Yes-ish, kind of. There's still quite a few differences in the electronics between the "older-tech" Polish and "newer-tech" Ukrainian Mig-29's. It's a bit like having a Mk3 Mondeo and a Mk5 Mondeo - they may both be called a Mondeo but the infotainment etc is very different and if you're used to a newer Mk5 then stepping back into a Mk3 will take a bit of getting used to. However the amount of training the Ukrainians will have to do to get to grips with these lesser capable MiG-29's is far lower than giving them something they don't already have, plus being in a war puts a whole new urgency behind training which will also speed things up.

The two issues I see so far is that the older Polish Mig-29's have a worse Radar and Electronic Warfare kit than the newer Ukrainian MiG's and those two things, in a war, could be problem if you can't see enemies as clearly as before and if you don't know if an enemy can see you as well as you could before.
 
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