Those £2 chicken and chip shops. That's how.
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Those £2 chicken and chip shops. That's how.
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"cheaper" food is mainly carbohydrate based - starchy fillers, bread, potatoes etc.
For someone who's already overweight, that stuff is like fat bombs. Spike the blood sugar, stimulate insulin which then pushes the liver to convert glucose to triglycerides, and stimulates fat cells to store triglyceride... Then blood sugar starts dropping, and guess what, you're hungry again and that energy that was stored as fat isn't available to you until a different metabolic pathway opens (glucagon is involved). And that doesn't open quickly ...
We all are but not by choiceWould it make a difference to this conversation if I pointed out that I was a tax payer?
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Indeed. So not sure why there's this echo of "but the taxpayer must foot the bill"We all are but not by choice
That was my point. Society pays for these people in the form of taxes being wasted on them.
Would it make a difference to this conversation if I pointed out that I was a tax payer?
This is unfortunately the justification a lot of people like to use for abusing things like the NHS. "I paid taxes all my life". Yes you did Steve and by the age of 45 every single penny of your entire working life worth of taxes was spent on your constant use of the NHS for the plethora of easily preventable health issues you have.
Yeah, there is no excuse for not being able to cook. Show me a person who says they can't cook and I will show you someone that has somehow managed to work out how to do a dozen things that are 10x harder. The only reason they don't know how to cook is because they can't be bothered.
Feeding your children crap food should be treated as the abuse it is. Far too many parents neglect their childrens need for nutrition and for routine simply because they are lazy and it sets them up for a horrible life.
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Knocking up a decent meal from scratch is just that, quick and easy, and if you can't rustle up a healthy alternative to a crappy processed ready meal in 20-30mins then you should probably get your carer(s) to help.
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I pay for Rybelsus. Works/ed for me, still got 10-15lbs to lose before i get to my ideal weight.
I have poor will power and like sugary things. I ate too much of the wrong stuff, takeaways, going out with suppliers and clients, that's been curbed to a sensible level, but when i do go out i'm able to manage my intake to a reasonable level.
Exercise has little impact on a poor diet.
I have poor will power and like sugary things. I ate too much of the wrong stuff, takeaways, going out with suppliers and clients, that's been curbed to a sensible level, but when i do go out i'm able to manage my intake to a reasonable level.
Exercise has little impact on a poor diet.
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Which is essentially the same thing
Out of curiosity, do you need a prescription, how much does it cost?
Thats not true. You won't have a six pack and you won't be super healthy but burning 1000 calories on a bike ride will 100% have an impact on your weight over time. The issue is when people do 20 minutes of exercise and then eat an extra 500 calories after burning 200.
Generally if you can't control your diet to something vaguely sensible you're not going to be banging out 1k cals cardio sessions either.
It's very difficult to out train a bad diet as you'll always be massively on the back foot at least as far as fat loss goes.
People are so harsh. I lost a lot of weight and got fitter after a good chunk of time half heartedly trying to fix things. The standard fad diets, half arsed exercise etc etc. But I didn't see it as that way at all, at the time my mental state and lack of fitness meant I viewed every slight mistake as total failure, every bit of effort required felt insurmountable.
It took afew moments of realisation, and a real attitude change for me to make the adjustments needed, and I still don't really understand why on that one specific night, lying in bed, I just decided I had to do something about it. I absolutely needed those moments to start kicking my head into a different gear though. Things like visiting friends I hadn't seen for awhile and being so unfit that to walk around a city I borrowed a bike. And I was still exhausted. Getting to the point I was almost starting to waddle like a penguin was another one.
Once you start and do manage to stick to things, it gets a lot easier very quickly. Once you realise eating a bit much on one day won't derail your entire attempt, it gets a lot easier. But getting to that mindset can be incredibly difficult, and if some people need a crutch to get going and even continue, then what's the problem? They'll hopefully end up healthier and happier in the end, and that's what matters.
Food can be an addiction, it's not as simple as just willpower for some. I consider myself fortunate that I wasn't addicted, I was just miserable, which made me lazy, which made me more miserable, so why bother trying?
Though I do think doing it without having to take a drug is going to be better, if someone can't manage that then go for it.
I have much more of an issue with parents forcing their lifestyles diets on their kids though. Not even forcing really, just not doing things properly for them.
It took afew moments of realisation, and a real attitude change for me to make the adjustments needed, and I still don't really understand why on that one specific night, lying in bed, I just decided I had to do something about it. I absolutely needed those moments to start kicking my head into a different gear though. Things like visiting friends I hadn't seen for awhile and being so unfit that to walk around a city I borrowed a bike. And I was still exhausted. Getting to the point I was almost starting to waddle like a penguin was another one.
Once you start and do manage to stick to things, it gets a lot easier very quickly. Once you realise eating a bit much on one day won't derail your entire attempt, it gets a lot easier. But getting to that mindset can be incredibly difficult, and if some people need a crutch to get going and even continue, then what's the problem? They'll hopefully end up healthier and happier in the end, and that's what matters.
Food can be an addiction, it's not as simple as just willpower for some. I consider myself fortunate that I wasn't addicted, I was just miserable, which made me lazy, which made me more miserable, so why bother trying?
Though I do think doing it without having to take a drug is going to be better, if someone can't manage that then go for it.
I have much more of an issue with parents forcing their lifestyles diets on their kids though. Not even forcing really, just not doing things properly for them.
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Why is it always pies though, how come fatties never get addicted to fruit and salads?
I'm considerably fatter than I should be. When I do find the willpower to lose weight, I can lose weight.
It hasn't stayed off because I tend to go back to eating too much.
That doesn't mean it's more than a function of my willpower, tho. The fact that I can lose weight when I choose to suggests it's entirely a function of my willpower. The weight comes back because I go back to making bad choices.
I also very much won't take drugs when I don't have to. Although I have no medical training, and I respect doctors for their expertise, you don't have to look hard to see the true face of the drugs industry. The fact that drugs designed for one purpose are discovered to "accidentally" work for other things. Drugs are not scalpel, carefully and precisely targetting the problem and only the problem. Drugs are more like a sledgehammer, and their effects not entirely predictable or understood. Why else would a drug designed for A end up being used for B, after clinical trials discovered this alternate use?
Until we know the precise reasons why every drug does what it does, my common sense (such as it is) tells me to stay the hell away from all but the most essential medications. We mess around with the functioning of our bodies without a complete understanding of how they work, necessarily. And that scares me enough not to do it.
No idea, more satisfying, highly processed, gets the endorphins going in the brain? Laziness (as it was with myself) and wanting something hot that is prepared. A lot of it probably has to do with the salt. And what is it they put in pringles to make them more addictive? I know I prefered something savoury over a bit of salad when I used to comfort eat.
A lot of my problem wasn't the type of food I was eating though, it was quantity. I'd eat too much, feel bad about it then ultimately end up eating more. Vicious circles yadda yadda. None of this is me making excuses, it's just how it is. A bit of empathy, or a realisation of a lack of perspective can go a long way but expecting that seems almost naive sometimes. That isn't aimed at you specifically!
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I have no doubt that many people need support to lose weight. Just drugs might not be the best support.
Another problem is there is a lot of "support" available that is just a cynical attempt to make money from people trying to lose weight. And a lot of these support groups have been found to be totally ineffective, whist costing a decent chunk o' cash.
I agree with you on the drugs, I'm hesitant to even take painkillers unless I really need to, but If someone else wants to take the risk with something and it's available then that's up to them.
That you go back to making bad choices (as you put it) is something that you do though, and you're not everyone in that situation, you having the willpower is a good thing, but not everyone will have that self control and who knows what reasons may lie behind that. Greed, sure... but there a lot of other reasons as well.
What you say about yourself is essentially how I am now, I do a fair bit of exercise and consider myself relatively fit and healthy, though still heavy. Every now and then I notice my weight creeping up slightly (I go based off how my clothes fit) so I readjust. But I think that's a healthy relationship with food. Biggest thing for me was eating better overall, cutting out fizzy drinks was a huge contributor though. I think a fair few people overlook how many calories they drink.
I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be personal responsibility for these things, but just being cruel for the sake of being cruel makes things worse more often than it helps. I think to get to a position of being so overweight that someone would consider these drugs, they either don't care that much and want an easy solution (in which case being cruel won't bother them), or they already feel bad enough about it that someone being cruel is just... bullying I guess.
Another dislike I have is the "fat is healthy" crowd. Utter nonsense.