Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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The ministry of foreign affairs for the state of Palestine has issued this statement online:

The declaration of war by Israel, the occupying power, on a civilian population it has been illegally and forcibly occupying and oppressing for decades is a continuation of its record of criminality and impunity. This is reinforced and affirmed by Israeli officials who have issued genocidal and hateful calls for ethnic cleansing publicly and unashamedly.
The scenes of devastation inflicted on Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip are harrowing. The international impunity Israel enjoys is a moral, political, and legal stain affront to humanity and basic decency as well as the principles of international law. Any attempt to excuse or cover these crimes is unacceptable and outright reprehensible. The facts are not in dispute. Israel, as an occupying power, is fully responsible for this situation because it insists on keeping the Palestinian people captive and stripping them of their rights for over half a century.
Israel has illegally used force and the threat of force, confiscation of land, persecution, collective punishment, and reprisals to deny the Palestinian people their fundamental rights and serve the common aim of displacing and replacing the Palestinian people, in violation of their right to self-determination and other peremptory norms of international law.
We are in this situation because the world failed to do what is needed and turned its back on Palestinian rights. Simplistic statements that omit Palestinian lives and rights and encourage their violation have to stop. As an occupying power, Israel has no right or justification to target the defenceless civilian population in Gaza or elsewhere in Palestine. Reprisals against civilians in armed hostilities are illegal under international humanitarian law and must stop.
In view of the open war declared by Israel on the Palestinian people in Gaza and the critical and ever-worsening situation of the Palestinian people under Israel’s colonial occupation and apartheid regime in the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, the international community must immediately intervene and provide international protection to the Palestinian people and end Israel’s barbarous campaign of death and destruction.
The international community must also act on their collective political, legal, humanitarian, and moral responsibilities towards this prolonged injustice. It has a responsibility to promote accountability, which is the only viable remedy for this illegal, abhorrent situation. The Palestinian people will continue to defend themselves, their homes, and their fundamental right to live in freedom and dignity, free from occupation, apartheid, and persecution.
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FoxEye said:
But modern-day Germans are a free people and not occupied by foreign forces, or blockaded and living in fear.
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I think the point is that part of the reason for that is that the Germans mostly accepted these territorial losses (mostly to Poland and the Soviets - Kalingrad) rather than electing a terrorist party into power and launching a multi decade murderous campaign to not only reclaim those lands but also to exterminate any non Germans in thoose areas.
 
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ATiRubyfan said:
Hamas has got balls. Israel has so much advanced intelligence and technology and they could still not prevent this!
I read an article that they even attacked three Israeli military bases and took a few army vehicles and then paraded them back in Gaza! lol.
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I wasn't going to reply to this bit, but there is a video out there of the aftermath where Hamas fighters scum dragged a family from their car, shot them just to decapacitate them, then ran them over multiple times... if this is the stuff you admire the 10 year old in this thread is you.
 
Grim5 said:
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According to the Wiki page it was under Jewish control for hundreds of years prior to 632AD

And before the Jews it were Cannanites who's religion included worshipping dozens of gods, similar to other religions at the time
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That Jewish kingdom was there once upon a time and then it ended. The most recent kingdoms that occupied it were all Muslim.


muon said:
Strikes back against random people at a music concert? You admire that?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't random targets. Also, it is now illegal everywhere in the civilized world, to do what happened in WW2. You don't get to kill civilians.
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I agree that loss of innocent life is sad. But, that is why as a nation, you must protect your citizens and not put them in harm's way.
Hence, why Americans claim to be Canadians when they go on holidays to some parts of the world.

Ah, that was even funny. The US dropped two atomb bombs that killed many and then became the founder of the League of nations whose HQ was in the US and they started preaching about world peace. This is now known as the UN! It's as if Jack the Ripper became Dalai Lama!
 
ATiRubyfan said:
That Kingdom ended in 645BC. There were other kingdoms after that. Various Muslim rulers occupied the lands from 631AD - 1902.

Civilization started in Mesopotamia. Does that mean we are all Iraqis? Geddit?
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Jewish pograms, the holocaust and the mass expulsion of jews from arab countries probably means we should make an exception to the plight they felt. It made sense to go there.

Take your line of thinking though, you shouldn't have an issue with Israel conquering Palestine for themselves.
 
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ATiRubyfan said:
I admire it when the oppressed strikes back.

Does your logic also apply to the USA and their use of atom bombs on civilians in Japan? If they had balls, they would have bombed some Japanese naval bases as a revenge for Pearl Harbour.
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It's a school day today, shouldn't you be in bed by now.
 
ATiRubyfan said:
I was looking at it more from 'whose land is it'? And, to me it looks the same as if your neighbours came to visit your house for a Sunday lunch and didn't leave and instead said 'Hey, why don't we both live in the same house from now on?'
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It's a little more complicated than that and more like you living in a house share and your Jewish housemate suddenly decides to invite all his extended family and friends to stay for safety because you and your mates tried to kill them in their previous homes causing them to need to flee leaving all their possessions and areas they had behind.

You then work with your mates to try and kill your house mate and all his guests, spectacularly fail and then wonder why your house mate and his guests have locked you in the broom cupboard...


all whilst your mates abandon you and go back to their houses and all the stolen space and possessions they took from the Jews
 
Rroff said:
I wasn't going to reply to this bit, but there is a video out there of the aftermath where Hamas fighters scum dragged a family from their car, shot them just to decapacitate them, then ran them over multiple times... if this is the stuff you admire the 10 year old in this thread is you.
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War knows no brutality. What do you want me to say?
Would you instead prefer a video of an F18 dropping a bomb on a building in Gaza and six floors for flats being blown up to to dust?
 
ATiRubyfan said:
That Jewish kingdom was there once upon a time and then it ended. The most recent kingdoms that occupied it were all Muslim.
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Doesn't change the fact that it was still the Jews' land. They were under an occupation, and they were outnumbered, but they still lived there.

Multiple empires have subjugated and occupied the Jewish homeland (Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans) and yet they are still there, clinging to their homeland that people keep trying to take away from them.

ATiRubyfan said:
War knows no brutality. What do you want me to say?
Would you instead prefer a video of an F18 dropping a bomb on a building in Gaza and six floors for flats being blown up to to dust?
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Yes I'd like to see that video please, because Israel does not use the F18, so I'd like to know where it's coming from.
 
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ATiRubyfan said:
War knows no brutality. What do you want me to say?
Would you instead prefer a video of an F18 dropping a bomb on a building in Gaza and six floors for flats being blown up to to dust?
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You already said you admire it. You think the above is fighting back. Don't need to say anything.
 
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ATiRubyfan said:
War knows no brutality. What do you want me to say?
Would you instead prefer a video of an F18 dropping a bomb on a building in Gaza and six floors for flats being blown up to to dust?
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That doesn't excuse finding gratification in that brutality, and in many cases with recent events it is a long way removed from acts of war.
 
Caracus2k said:
I think the point is that part of the reason for that is that the Germans mostly accepted these territorial losses (mostly to Poland and the Soviets - Kalingrad) rather than electing a terrorist party into power and launching a multi decade murderous campaign to not only reclaim those lands but also to exterminate any non Germans in thoose areas.
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It's something of a Batman/Joker scenario, isn't it.

"You made me!"
"You made me, first!"

Neither side is blameless and neither really wants to give an inch. Israel is happy to take more land for settlements, Israeli settlers are happy to use violence against Palestinians, Hamas is happy to use terror and commit atrocities, the IDF is happy to beat mourners at a funeral, shoot journalists. Palestinians are happy to cheer Hamas as they murder their way through a concert.

The cycle of hatred is never-ending, and retaliation and vengeance just keeps the cycle going.

Will there ever be peace out there? Doubtful. The history of violence and the unyielding hatred and all mixed up with religions and land given them by God and...
 
Sankari said:
Doesn't change the fact that it was still the Jews' land. They were under an occupation, and they were outnumbered, but they still lived there.

Multiple empires have subjugated and occupied the Jewish homeland (Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans) and yet they are still there, clinging to their homeland that people keep trying to take away from them.



Yes I'd like to see that video please, because Israel does not use the F18, so I'd like to know where it's coming from.
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Sorry, meant F16. Mistype there from me.

It is just land to me and you and ought to be the Jews too. How do I explain the empire bit..... Let's say you bought a car on finance. You couldn't afford to keep up with the payments and the car was taken away from you. The car then changed ownership several times. Years later, do you reckon that's still your car?
 
Hamas has released footage of them beheading captured soldiers. We will not share it, but the world needs to know their depravity exceeds that of ISIS. And we have been telling you all for years. May the precious souls of our men and women be in our hearts forever.
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ATiRubyfan said:
Sorry, meant F16. Mistype there from me.

It is just land to me and you and ought to be the Jews too. How do I explain the empire bit..... Let's say you bought a car on finance. You couldn't afford to keep up with the payments and the car was taken away from you. The car then changed ownership several times. Years later, do you reckon that's still your car?
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The Gaza strip was a tiny strip back in 1949.

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You admire Hamas who doesn't recognise a state of Israel. And you think their method of trying to achieve their goals by killing 250+ people at a music concert is admirable.
 
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I am wondering how on earth did those 5000 rockets end up in Gaza from Iran?
By land through Iraq and Syria and then Lebanon and then by sea?
Or, by sea from Iran and then through the Suez?
Or, has Iran drilled through the earth's core and has a direct tunnel to Gaza?
 

The reinforcements included drones, Iranian Fajr missiles, and advanced weapons that arrived at military sites in the Daraa and Quneitra governorates. Leaders and members of the Lebanese Hezbollah militia entered a number of military sites northwest of Daraa, and other sites in the Quneitra Governorate close to the border with the occupied Golan. Military reinforcements entered “Tall al-Qa’id,” which is located near the town of Jabab, north of Daraa, and similar reinforcements from foreign militias entered a number of military hills located northwest of Daraa, and Tulul al-Sha’ar and Krum in Quneitra Governorate​

 
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