Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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esmozz said:
It's curious, every debate about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict seems to reduce to who owns what 100/200/1000/2000 years ago. You can go back and forth forever (and people have been doing exactly that). It strikes me that it makes absolutely no difference to the current conflict, or indeed the ongoing conflict since 1947.

Undoubtedly, 10's of thousands of Palestinians are about to die. Most of them will be innocent to the fate they were born into.

I understand that the response Israel is about to inflict is inevitable, and even that there really is no other way.

But those who transfer their hate for Hamas onto the thousands of innocents who are about to die. You probably need to take a good look at yourselves.
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interesting, nearly all your posts in the thread are either 'both sides are as bad as each other' or 'won't somebody think of the poor Palestinians'. I think we know what side your bread is buttered.
 
esmozz said:
It's curious, every debate about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict seems to reduce to who owns what 100/200/1000/2000 years ago. You can go back and forth forever (and people have been doing exactly that). It strikes me that it makes absolutely no difference to the current conflict, or indeed the ongoing conflict since 1947.
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Indeed. And whatever mistakes were made those eighty years, the reality is that Israel now exists as the Jewish homeland in the Levant, and as home to ten million it has the continuing right to exist. We can argue over the past all we want, but it doesn't change the present.
 

UN chief condemns attacks and calls for humanitarian aid​

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres has just given a statement, where he condemned attacks on civilians and hostage-taking and also called for Israel to allow humanitarian aid to reach Gaza.
In his statement, Guterres:
  • Repeated condemnation of "abhorrent" attacks on Israeli towns and villages by Hamas militants
  • Called for all attacks on civilians to cease, as well as hostages held in Gaza to be released
  • Confirmed more than 800 Israelis have been killed and warned this was likely to rise
  • Said he was "deeply alarmed" by the 500 Palestinian deaths in Gaza, which is also rising by the minute as Israeli strikes continue
  • Called on Israel to protect civilians and civilian infrastructure when carrying out its military operations
  • Said he was "deeply distressed" by Israel's complete siege" of Gaza, including stopping supplies of food, fuel and electricity
  • Warned an "extremely dire" humanitarian situation in Gaza would only "deteriorate exponentially"
  • Urged all sides to allow UN access to deliver urgent humanitarian aid to trapped civilians in Gaza
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Craterloads said:
Tell that to the jews

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Are you seriously suggesting that extremist Jews and extremist Muslims are the same? we shouldn't be concerned with the moderates, which makes up most of the groups. We all know most Muslims are fine, we know that most Christians are fine etc etc. It's that extreme elements within those religions we should compare and contrast. I must be living on a different planet because i see one extremist group causing havoc compared to the others. How many extremist Jews or Christians do you see committing terrorist attacks in Europe, America? In droves fighting a holy war in Africa? I don't see any.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
Put a lid on your faux anti sentimism. Historic analysis shows British politicians offered the Balfour agreement because they thought it would carry weight with the Jewish financial powers of the time.
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The Belfour agreement was promoted by Christian Zionists, as part of the evangelical movement that says the Jews should be back in Israel before Jesus returns. This is why there is a constant effort by some Christians (mostly American) to promote Israel.

I don't understand why people of your mind set feel like you need to go against the flow of condemnation of dead bodies to still be attacking Jewish people.

I come across the Israel/Palestine situation through my own religious studies. How did you learn about it?
 
Mr Jack said:
Indeed. And whatever mistakes were made those eighty years, the reality is that Israel now exists as the Jewish homeland in the Levant, and as home to ten million it has the continuing right to exist. We can argue over the past all we want, but it doesn't change the present.
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Yes, I agree. Israel is the Jewish homeland and I wouldn't want to change that. But what of the 2 million Palestinians kettled in the Gaze strip. I understand the history of the region enough to know that the Palestinians (or at least their leadership) are as much responsible for the lack to any progress towards a peaceful solution as anyone else (a two state solution seems most likely). But Israel bears a responsibility for failure there too. And far far more Palestinians are about to die than Israelis already have.

Seriously, beyond the slaughter of mostly innocent Palestinians, whats the solution?

Or do believe a normal Palestinian life is worth less than an Israeli one?
 
esmozz said:
Seriously, beyond the slaughter of mostly innocent Palestinians, whats the solution?
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I have literally no idea. What I am sure of is that this current situation with the grotesque attack by Hamas, and brutal response by Israel isn't going to make it better. The cycle feeds on itself and makes everything worse.
 
C Kent said:
interesting, nearly all your posts in the thread are either 'both sides are as bad as each other' or 'won't somebody think of the poor Palestinians'. I think we know what side your bread is buttered.
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Okay, upon which side is my bread buttered?

Also, regarding the poor Palestinians - an awful lot are about to die. The vast majority of whom are completely innocent.

Given your ridiculous, trite comment about the "poor Palestinians" - I suspect I know exactly which side your bread is buttered on. The side that indulges in racial superiority, the side which thinks a Israeli life is worth more than a Palestinian one.

It is'nt. And for the record, I think Hamas are terrorist scum. I just don't think that all 2 million people in the Gaza strip are Hamas and responsible for their crimes. Unlike you.
 
esmozz said:
I just don't think that all 2 million people in the Gaza strip are Hamas and responsible for their crimes. Unlike you.
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One side have told civilians to get out of Gaza, the other are effectively telling them to stay - what happens next is on Hamas' head.
 
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