They did do two years ago, the 7900xtx
Unless you care about RT, upscaling or FG, which apparently nobody does
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Fair point, but I meant competes with it while being better than it.They did do two years ago, the 7900xtx
Unless you care about RT, upscaling or FG, which apparently nobody does
Yeah I imagine it would have faired very well. If you ignore the halo cards of Nvidia which honestly as amazing as they are, they are out of reach for most sane people then it would have been a good proposition.It could be as simple as the competition has done something unexpected, and they need to see what that looks like so they know how to proceed (in light of the 5080 reviews, maybe they want to know how high they can jack up prices
It's absolutely bonkers when you think about it - AMD opted to not compete at the "high end" this generation as they seemingly couldn't keep up with Nvidia on RDNA. But now it looks like an overclocked 7900 XTX with the RT improvements of RDNA 4 plus FSR4 would have been quite competitive...
Agreed and by all accounts it may not have been that hard for them to do if the 5080 is less than 10% faster than the previous gen.
Got to wonder what they need 2 months for.. BIOS updates fit in with this theory. Keep an eye out for any stickers on boxes if they have clock speeds on them
I remember my RX 480 having a 4GB sticker covering what said 8GB
I'm sure they're using some of the time to improve FSR4, but I suspect it's mostly a panic implementation of multi frame gen...
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It could be as simple as the competition has done something unexpected, and they need to see what that looks like so they know how to proceed (in light of the 5080 reviews, maybe they want to know how high they can jack up prices
It's absolutely bonkers when you think about it - AMD opted to not compete at the "high end" this generation as they seemingly couldn't keep up with Nvidia on RDNA. But now it looks like an overclocked 7900 XTX with the RT improvements of RDNA 4 plus FSR4 would have been quite competitive...
It's really going to depend what AMD does with the 9070xt and 9070, going by leaked benchmarks it does seem AMD have brought their top tier performance down to the mid tier, the question is will they increase their mid tier pricing to the higher tier. If they don't they win, if they do it's another own goal.
I present to you the AMD marketing team.
Why does it sometimes feel like the prices of GPU's now are priced like mobile phones? The ultras, upper mids, mids etc.
A 9060 XT might be the GPU version a Pixel 9.
Strange thought I know but it's the feature sets and AI focus too.
A 9060 XT might be the GPU version a Pixel 9.
Strange thought I know but it's the feature sets and AI focus too.
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Yes, but the traditional "release the same card twice" is usually the exact same card rebranded. This is more like RX 7970 to RX 285 way back when h a lot of effort with nothing to show!Nvidia compared it to the 4070 non super. My expectations are around 4070 super performance. Who says you can't release the same card twice?AMD has done it before so surely nvidia can aswell.
I think the rumours are more that a bigger die's sales would have been insufficient to pay the design costs. That does ignore the halo effect which is huge. At least for Nvidia - wines the success of things like 3050, 3060, 4060 etc.It could be as simple as the competition has done something unexpected, and they need to see what that looks like so they know how to proceed (in light of the 5080 reviews, maybe they want to know how high they can jack up prices
It's absolutely bonkers when you think about it - AMD opted to not compete at the "high end" this generation as they seemingly couldn't keep up with Nvidia on RDNA. But now it looks like an overclocked 7900 XTX with the RT improvements of RDNA 4 plus FSR4 would have been quite competitive...
Still Nvidia at 90% does make it hard for others to even bother with many dies.
Ok, so what's the current consenus? I'm seeing two competing threads:
1) AMD has, if not exactly 5080 performance, something quite close cooking with 9070xt for a lower price.
2) AMD has done messed things up again with 9070xt only around 4070 ti performance and they will price it at £700
1) AMD has, if not exactly 5080 performance, something quite close cooking with 9070xt for a lower price.
2) AMD has done messed things up again with 9070xt only around 4070 ti performance and they will price it at £700
Nobody knows yet.
They released a 7800XT that was 5% faster than a 6800 XT...so why is it that nvidia cards get compared with the same model number when its AMD its the previous model minus one tier.
Going by this the 4060 is nearly 60% faster than a 3050 8GB and nearly 20% faster than a 3060 12GB.
They did do two years ago, the 7900xtx
Well after Nvidia's AMD-level failure on the 5080... AMD may end up accidentally having something that does compete with a 5080 (maybe not in raytracing though)
If 9070XT rumours put it closee to 4080, that's pretty much close to a 5080 at that point. Unlikely to beat a 5080 in most scenarios, but damn close.
After seeing this, now I have a different 'new' conspiracy theory on the AMD delays... hear me out here folks:
What if AMD sees the failure of the sub-£1k 5000 series as a different sort of opportunity... i.e. as an opportunity to mark up their prices on the new cards.
With the 5080 being so bad, now a $700+ 9070XT doesn't look so silly or even unlikely...
Either option is feasible. I mean we were all talking about £550-600+ for the 9070XT. They can still do that if they want to definitively gain market share.
But seeing how recent years AMD just follows behind Nvidia... yeah all you guys who we shot down saying the 9070XT would be closer to 5070ti pricing... looks like you were all right to speculate that way.
I'll still hope/wish for a sub £600 9070XT and sub £500 9070... but it seems less likely to occur when Nvidia isn't giving AMD worthwhile competition
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The coreteks video is a pretty good angle. I think AMD are going back to chasing the $50 cheaper premium brand vibe rushing to force as much performance as they can to justify any price gain they can!
The good news is maybe in a few months the price creeps down as typical with AMD cards and consumers get a decent option.
The good news is maybe in a few months the price creeps down as typical with AMD cards and consumers get a decent option.
I'm done with theorising at this point.
We've had the full spectrum now, we went from AMD being dead because Nvidia were pricing too low, now AMD are dead because Nvidia are pricing too high
In any case, delaying looks like a good move, whether it was by design (they knew the 50 series would be ****) or by accident (they thought Nvidia were going to offer value).
The talk about manufacturing costs is a worry though, the die sizes being so big. We may not get a free lunch but it'll be interesting to see the lay of the land come March.
We've had the full spectrum now, we went from AMD being dead because Nvidia were pricing too low, now AMD are dead because Nvidia are pricing too high
In any case, delaying looks like a good move, whether it was by design (they knew the 50 series would be ****) or by accident (they thought Nvidia were going to offer value).
The talk about manufacturing costs is a worry though, the die sizes being so big. We may not get a free lunch but it'll be interesting to see the lay of the land come March.
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Option two please bob.
I suspect that's why there's been rumours of pushback from retailers on the price. 4070 Ti levels of performance isn't that bad IMO as my guess is the 5070 Ti will only be about 10% faster so a 9070 XT may end up being 5-10% slower than a 5070 Ti. The sticking point is the price, if they had intended to charge £700 it would've been a major flop because if you could buy a 5070 Ti for only £50 more no one would touch the 9070 XT.
If on the other hand the 9070 XT can get within 5-10% of the performance of a 5070 Ti for the price of a 5070 non-Ti then that's a whole other story, getting roughly 5070 Ti performance for £200 less is a rather attractive proposition.
Option two please bob.
I suspect that's why there's been rumours of pushback from retailers on the price. 4070 Ti levels of performance isn't that bad IMO as my guess is the 5070 Ti will only be about 10% faster so a 9070 XT may end up being 5-10% slower than a 5070 Ti. The sticking point is the price, if they had intended to charge £700 it would've been a major flop because if you could buy a 5070 Ti for only £50 more no one would touch the 9070 XT.
If on the other hand the 9070 XT can get within 5-10% of the performance of a 5070 Ti for the price of a 5070 non-Ti then that's a whole other story, getting roughly 5070 Ti performance for £200 less is a rather attractive proposition.
I just can't see the second option happening.
Everything is pointing to these cards being pretty pricey but everyone seems to think AMD are going to give them away on the back of cereal packets.
£100 less at best with just shy of 5070ti performance but still lacking in RT performance. Hope for sales later.
That's not what people are thinking, they're thinking AMD will do what you just said, like they've tried and failed to do in the past. Expect people to pay 10% less for 10% less performance.
What people are saying is that simply will not work, that if they want to gain back market share or even still be making GPUs in 4-5 years time they need to offer something that maybe 10% less performance but at a lower tier price than their competitor. E.g That they need to offer close to 5070 Ti performance for 5070 money.
I think it's a bit different, everyone expects AMD to give them away in boxes of cereal irrespective of performance.
I think the outcome will be a little from column A, a little from column B - they will price it as low as they possibly can, but it won't be low enough for people here.
The thing is though, Nvidia are doing an AMD now and making it really hard for people to throw money at them - they're cutting out the kind of person who doesn't want to spend £2500 on a graphics card, but wants something better than a 60/70 class.