*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[humbug]

I didn’t fall for the hate on the 7800xt and looked at performance vs the nearest competitor and thought it was bang on for price/performance. I looked back at a receipt from January 2021, for a quickly returned (due to buyers remorse) of a £1200 6900xt mba from a competitor and had a warm feeling of the £800 I saved by getting the same performance (within 2%) for £400 in the 7800xt 2.5 years later.

With the 9070 non xt it needs to be max £500 and offer at least 30% performance gain over the 7800xt to be a winner really.

Then 9070 XT needs to be max £599 to offer near XTX levels of raster performance.

Same, with an easy daily overclock its basically a >4070 Ti, no one, not one of them made this point but 3 minutes of looking beyond all the garbage this was plainly obvious and with that at £400 less and with 4GB more VRam it wasn't a difficult choice.

The other thing is this, in RT the 4070 is only significantly faster if you turn the RT settings up so high it becomes unplayable on the 4070, if you use settings that the 4070 can manage guess what... with those same settings its little if any faster with RT than the 7800 XT.
Just another one of those things that i find incredibly misleading when they use these settings that make the 4070 unusable just to say its 35% faster than the 7800 XT, at 28 FPS.... if what you're looking for is 60 FPS both the 4070 and 7800 XT achieve that at those RT settings.

So how is the 4070 worth £100 more with all that in mind? Better image quality with DLSS than FSR..... Yes, you're right, you pay that then, i'm not.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Same, with an easy daily overclock its basically a >4070 Ti, no one, not one of them made this point but 3 minutes of looking beyond all the garbage this was plainly obvious and with that at £400 less and with 4GB more VRam it wasn't a difficult choice.

I did notice for the best part of 2024 the boilerplate content from them channels was parroted "but if you want RT then go for the nvidia card". Its just pure lazy verbatim.

 

[humbug]

I did notice for the best part of 2024 the boilerplate content from them channels was parroted "but if you want RT then go for the nvidia card". Its just pure lazy verbatim.

Like i said if you want to use RT with 4070 at a level where its actually useable its not much better than the 7800 XT.
150 subscriber Youtube channels are capable of enough critical thinking to realise this and show you but those with millions of subscribers apparently aren't?

This is why AMD are infuriating. The card is clearly a 7700xt and 7800xt in name only. I have a 7800xt named as a 7900xt. If AMD went with 7700xt the journo's would have compared it to last gen mid range along with the 4070.

Yeah, this was idiotic and all it did was give the clowns ammunition.

 

[GhostDog1981]

I did notice for the best part of 2024 the boilerplate content from them channels was parroted "but if you want RT then go for the nvidia card". Its just pure lazy verbatim.

Which is the reason why AMD won’t be successful with such a monopoly that Nvidia commands.

The only way the 9070 series will disrupt the market and make people switch is ridiculously stupidly low prices vs Nvidia ie £399 for 9070 and £499 for the 9070XT which AMD marketing will never allow to happen.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Same, with an easy daily overclock its basically a >4070 Ti, no one, not one of them made this point but 3 minutes of looking beyond all the garbage this was plainly obvious and with that at £400 less and with 4GB more VRam it wasn't a difficult choice.

The other thing is this, in RT the 4070 is only significantly faster if you turn the RT settings up so high it becomes unplayable on the 4070, if you use settings that the 4070 can manage guess what... with those same settings its little if any faster with RT than the 7800 XT.
Just another one of those things that i find incredibly misleading when they use these settings that make the 4070 unusable just to say its 35% faster than the 7800 XT, at 28 FPS.... if what you're looking for is 60 FPS both the 4070 and 7800 XT achieve that at those RT settings.

So how is the 4070 worth £100 more with all that in mind? Better image quality with DLSS than FSR..... Yes, you're right, you pay that then, i'm not.

I think I’m just gonna keep my 7800xt till a game breaks it ie GTA6! There’s nothing worth bothering to upgrade to without losing a tonne of dosh, and gaining maybe 30% performance (9070 non xt) which an overclocked 7800xt would claw back about 10% making the gain of 20% not worth it.

 

[humbug]

Which is the reason why AMD won’t be successful with such a monopoly that Nvidia commands.

The only way the 9070 series will disrupt the market and make people switch is ridiculously stupidly low prices vs Nvidia ie £399 for 9070 and £499 for the 9070XT which AMD marketing will never allow to happen.

We all want cheap GPU's but we also have to be reasonable and allow it to be worth it for AMD so they continue to fight.

The 7900 XT thing was stupid, they got a lot of flack for that and deservedly so, the 7800 XT to me looked like "yeah ok my bad, here is our apology" its a damned good GPU for a good price and they still got _____ for it only this time there was no real reason to give them _____ for it so like clowns they focused the hate on things that didn't matter a bugger to the product as a product.

When AMD try, especially when its obvious they are trying they need to get the right feedback for that or its all pointless, we are only hurting ourselves, it doesn't matter to AMD as much as some of these clowns seem to think it does, AMD can't make the stuff they do turn a healthy profit on fast enough, i have no doubt Radeon already looks like a problem to them that is easily solved.

 

[Thekwango]

y'all wanna sod off posting about how clever you all were buying 7800xt's - i wanna know how much the bloody 9070's are, not how super duper chuffed someone is with their current card. thread should be locked till official info appears, it's just a bunch of hens clucking currently.

p.s. - i'm having a joke before someone gets all worked up.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Which is the reason why AMD won’t be successful with such a monopoly that Nvidia commands.

The only way the 9070 series will disrupt the market and make people switch is ridiculously stupidly low prices vs Nvidia ie £399 for 9070 and £499 for the 9070XT which AMD marketing will never allow to happen.

The farce is twofold:
1) 40 series people (generally) either mocking or slightly upset depending on their angle; that we have now had terrible progression but still high prices (no covid, no mining, no shipping hike excuses anymore)

2) The lower end of the sku's for both vendors cant quite punch out the performance for top RT visuals and we are back to the old point that most folk will just use them traditionally. However as these influencers and npc's discuss with others its made out like these extra features are so needed.

People have been snapping up the 7900XTX as its around £800, has 24GB VRAM and performs close to the 5080. So obviously RT isn't quite that important if this is being observed...

We all know AMD will not be discounting this new gen but it is what it is!

 

[Rob_B]

y'all wanna sod off posting about how clever you all were buying 7800xt's - i wanna know how much the bloody 9070's are, not how super duper chuffed someone is with their current card. thread should be locked till official info appears, it's just a bunch of hens clucking currently.

p.s. - i'm having a joke before someone gets all worked up.

But did you know I'm really happy with my 7800XT?

These rumour threads annoy me but I just can't not read them

 

[humbug]

y'all wanna sod off posting about how clever you all were buying 7800xt's - i wanna know how much the bloody 9070's are, not how super duper chuffed someone is with their current card. thread should be locked till official info appears, it's just a bunch of hens clucking currently.

p.s. - i'm having a joke before someone gets all worked up.

You wish you had one

 

[Thekwango]

You wish you had one

i've become so attached to my vega64 that i don't care if i never upgrade it now. it's been part of the family for so long now it can stay if it wants

 

[gpuerrilla]

Press update at end of month. Videocardz.

 

[StarShock]

Press update at end of month. Videocardz.

That pretty much just confirms that we will get no new information for at least 3 weeks. Everything that could be leaked has, both true and false, price somewhere between £300 and £900 performance somewhere between a 7700xt and a 5080 and release date somewhere between the 1st of March and the 1st of April.

And now we know we likely won't have confirmation of anything till the end of February. So honestly may as well lock this and walk away for a few weeks

 

[Murphy]

But the RTX5070 looks really mediocre so far - it's a very easy target for AMD to beat IMHO.

Almost like they designed it to be that way, like they planned it.

I'm certainly no CT nut and i understand that correlation does not necessarily equal causation. But if someone told me, ten to twenty years from now, that the GPU manufactures had secretly agreed to divide the markets between them i can't say I'd be incredibly shocked.

 

[Thekwango]

Almost like they designed it to be that way, like they planned it.

I'm certainly no CT nut and i understand that correlation does not necessarily equal causation. But if someone told me, ten to twenty years from now, that the GPU manufactures had secretly agreed to divide the markets between them i can't say I'd be incredibly shocked.

i'd actually be in agreement with that hypothesis if wasn't for the fact that something unplanned/unexpected happened at or just before ces to cause amd to crap the bed and delay their release.


edit: oh ffs now you've all got me suckered into the waffle and speculation posting

 

[eeii]

This has got to be the worst rumour thread ever

 

[ben90]

There's rumours of steak egg and chips for dinner tonight. Won't know until the 7pm press conference though

 

[Armageus]

This has got to be the worst rumour thread ever

Or the best from AMD's point of view - truly no one has any idea about price or performance, even the retailers who have the cards in their hands

 

[Murphy]

i'd actually be in agreement with that hypothesis

It's not a hypothesis as there's no way to test anything, yet, to discover if it's reality.

It's just speculation and me saying that I'd be less than surprised if decades from now information came to light that showed they had colluded.

edit: oh ffs now you've all got me suckered into the waffle and speculation posting

Yea-boy!

 

[Firegod]

There's rumours of steak egg and chips for dinner tonight. Won't know until the 7pm press conference though

x4 fake eggs? Sold!