May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

Yas786 · 15 Jun 2010 at 17:30

FoxEye said:
Isn't murder a bit worse than watching football, even for Muslims?

LOL come on you do realise that islam says nothing about football being forbidden in islam...in fact no sport is forbidden...its just the crazy idiots there that again use religion ie islam in this case to justify their power.

Amnesia · 15 Jun 2010 at 17:31

FoxEye said:
Isn't murder a bit worse than watching football, even for Muslims?

i think in protest we should all watch the world cup

Brazil vs. North Korea - 15 Jun 8:30pm
Honduras vs. Chile - 16 Jun 1:30pm
Spain vs. Switzerland - 16 Jun 4:00pm
South Africa vs. Uruguay - 16 Jun 8:30pm
Argentina vs. South Korea - 17 Jun 1:30pm
Greece vs. Nigeria - 17 Jun 4:00pm
France vs. Mexico - 17 Jun 8:30pm
* All times are South Africa Time

stupid google should give me UK time....will i look like a fool though if we have the same time zone haha

Yas786 · 15 Jun 2010 at 17:36

Shakeel said:
@ spwan i think he is going to give you the 'its not common' line

LOL of course he will...

Whats ironic is that hindhu's and sikhs in India are just as bad as the muslims when it comes to things like honour killing but no one really pays much attention to them.

bhavv · 15 Jun 2010 at 17:50

No, i'm going to give you that in the western world, such as in the UK, honour killings outside of Muslim families are exceedingly rare.

India is going into a huge decline with its exponential population growth mostly into backward and undeveloped areas with little or no education. I would really like to see you or anyone else try to govern that place and sort things out.

If honour killings arent a religion thing, then when have you ever heard of it happen in Atheist families?

Never am I right?

Amnesia · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:06

bhavv said:
Its a culture thing that out of all the cases of honour killings, is only common among the Muslim faith and not of the other religions.

'Tradition, not religion'

None of the world's major religions condone honour-related crimes.

But perpetrators have sometimes tried to justify their actions on religious grounds.

"Honour crime happens across the board in the Asian community," says Ram Gidoomal of the South Asian Development Partnership.

"People try to blame Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs but it tends to happen in families where there are the strongest ties and expectations. It's a very strong cultural issue."

Leaders of the world's faiths have also strongly denounced a connection between religion and honour killings.

source

incase you missed it......yep you're a liar again.

bhavv · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:10

Because your source must be 100% correct, like NOT!!!!

Lets go again with what the koran says:

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

I really find it easy to believe that such teachings are what can lead to some muslims being hateful of western culture, to the point that they would go and honour kill their children for doing something against their culture.

bhavv · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:13

Gaidin109 said:
You have constantly said that Muslims, the Qur'an and specifically Mohammed all believe and teach that the Earth is Flat.

The koran and mohammed arguably believed that the world was flat, and I have posted evidence of this.

Mohammed was NOT an educated person at the time, and wouldnt have had any knowledge of the world or astronomy as opposed to educated clever people at the time.

NeilF · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:15

Spawn said:
Hindhu honour killing and surprisingly its on the rise in India too:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5919039-why-are-hindu-honor-killings-rising-in-india

So that nullifies bhavvs arguement then....next please

Undoubtably it's mainly cultural, but with any religion involved simply swaying any medieval tendancies around in one direction or the other...

bhavv · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:18

NeilFawcett said:
Undoubtably it's mainly cultural, but with any religion involved simply swaying any medieval tendancies around in one direction or the other...

Honor killings are only found where strong religious culture is, be it Islam or Hinduism, and in the past maybe Christianity too.

But if it *WAS NOT* due to religion in any way at all, then that means that Atheists would also be doing it just as much as theists, which I really cant believe as being true.

Honour killings are a thing that stem from backward religious beliefs.

NeilF · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:19

bhavv said:
Because your source must be 100% correct, like NOT!!!!

Lets go again with what the koran says:

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

I must admit, it's not exactly bedtime story stuff is it

Is 9:123 some sort of gay homosexual reference?

Amnesia · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:27

bhavv said:
Its a culture thing that out of all the cases of honour killings, is only common among the Muslim faith and not of the other religions.

so you are claiming its only common amongst muslims

'Tradition, not religion'

None of the world's major religions condone honour-related crimes.

But perpetrators have sometimes tried to justify their actions on religious grounds.

"Honour crime happens across the board in the Asian community," says Ram Gidoomal of the South Asian Development Partnership.

"People try to blame Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs but it tends to happen in families where there are the strongest ties and expectations. It's a very strong cultural issue."

Leaders of the world's faiths have also strongly denounced a connection between religion and honour killings.

source

bhavv said:
Because your source must be 100% correct, like NOT!!!!

so the BBC isn't reliable enough for you ?
nothing a quick google cant fix then

http://asianhistory.about.com/b/2010/05/28/hindu-honor-killings-as-caste-reemphasized.htm
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1209357640983&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/77818/48482
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/01/13/stories/2004011305091200.htm
http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2008/05/hindu-honor-killing.html

are all these lies then or are you the liar ?

Angleboy · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:29

Spawn said:
I read what you posted...all i was saying if you want to eradicate religion then best eradicate the people too and it has absolutely FA to do with what i support

well that speaks volumes about the muslim mentality doesnt it.

It's just easier to kill people than reason with them huh.

You're such a nice person.

Amnesia · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:30

Angleboy said:
well that speaks volumes about the muslim mentality doesnt it.

It's just easier to kill people than reason with them huh.

You're such a nice person.

he killed you ?

bhavv · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:31

Amnesia said:
so you are claiming its only common amongst muslims

are all these lies then or are you the liar ?

Or maybe you still lack comprehension.

In the UK, Europe, America, and rest of the western world, honour killings are not common among non - muslims.

That is a factual claim, you are just very bad at comprehending, and very good at using strawman arguments.

As for honor killings in India, as I already said, I dont doubt that it happens among the large uneducated rural populations there. But among educated Hindus, or those living in western countries, it hardly ever happens as much as it does among Muslim families.

Im not a liar just because you read between posts and never accept any further explanation or debate. All the times that you keep on calling me a liar, no one except for you and spawn can take anything that you type seriously anyway.

Angleboy · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:32

Amnesia said:
he killed you ?

Maybe you should learn to read too. What a rediculously abstract thing to draw from what i said.

Amnesia · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:35

bhavv said:
Its a culture thing that out of all the cases of honour killings, is only common among the Muslim faith and not of the other religions.

bhavv said:
Or maybe you still lack comprehension.

well obviously something is a miss i read that as saying that it is only common among the Muslim faith and not of the other religions

yet the links i provided say different.

http://asianhistory.about.com/b/2010/05/28/hindu-honor-killings-as-caste-reemphasized.htm
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1209357640983&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/77818/48482
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/01/13/stories/2004011305091200.htm
http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2008/05/hindu-honor-killing.html

so is it common amongst only muslims or not ?
care to change your mind liar ?

Amnesia · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:36

Angleboy said:
Maybe you should learn to read too. What a rediculously abstract thing to draw from what i said.

you made it look like that so i asked

bhavv · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:37

Amnesia said:
well obviously something is a miss i read that as saying that it is only common among the Muslim faith and not of the other religions

yet the links i provided say different.

http://asianhistory.about.com/b/2010/05/28/hindu-honor-killings-as-caste-reemphasized.htm
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1209357640983&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/77818/48482
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/01/13/stories/2004011305091200.htm
http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2008/05/hindu-honor-killing.html

so is it common amongst only muslims or not ?
care to change your mind liar ?

Already explained to you twice, here is a third time:

bhavv said:
Or maybe you still lack comprehension.

In the UK, Europe, America, and rest of the western world, honour killings are not common among non - muslims.

That is a factual claim, you are just very bad at comprehending, and very good at using strawman arguments.

As for honor killings in India, as I already said, I dont doubt that it happens among the large uneducated rural populations there. But among educated Hindus, or those living in western countries, it hardly ever happens as much as it does among Muslim families.

Im not a liar just because you read between posts and never accept any further explanation or debate. All the times that you keep on calling me a liar, no one except for you and spawn can take anything that you type seriously anyway.

The particular case that I posted happened in Canada, not in India. The caste system / rural backwardness in India is a huge problem, and I also believe that to be due to Hinduism and religion as well.

Find me cases of Indian / Hindu honour killings in the western world.

Amnesia · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:39

so you're changing your mind after being proved wrong.

there are no depths that you wont stoop to

mrk · 15 Jun 2010 at 18:41

Rapping on about honor killings again I see, how's business going bhav?

Honor killings have nothing to do with Islam (or any religion I've ever encountered/read about) but has everything to do with people who skew their own understanding and lack general common sense and intelligence or tolerance for differences among their own family. It's most commonly done in the name of family honor...mostly.

I suggest you read this:
http://muslimvoices.org/honor-killings/

No doubt you'll return with 7 paragraphs about some other nonsense as usual,
/thread.