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bhavv said:
That is a significant part of it, however it is also a part of the Sharia Law in a lot of Islamic Countries that women are not allowed to go out or be in the company of unrelated men, unless they face severe consequences.

Culture or Religion is an arguable point, but if you think that Islam is completely tolerant of girls going out for social reasons until 3am, you have to be very very mistaken.
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Sort of agree, but I still blame the culture the most. If we consider honour killings within Muslim families, I'd suspect they can be traced back to recently being part of a different culture. ie: Have not been long term westerners for example.

I think Sharia Law, and other goings on in some Islamic countries, are just as barbaric and backwards as you, but I think the culture is mainly to blame, with the religion unfortunately just playing a part in it.

I've said before, here in europe for example, Christian faiths happily helped in the torture and execution of thousands of innocent people on charges of witch craft. But as our culture 'grew up' the church was dragged along with society and forced to grow up too... It's just a shake that some culture/faith combinations still find themselves seemingly back in medieval times rather than the 21st century...
 
Spawn said:
Absolutely nothing really

Its just one great big circle that everyone seems to go round in with this thread...




Thankfully that will never happen:)...too many muslims and other religious people to eradicate:p
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You obviously cant read.

I said nothing about eradicating people because of what they belive. Just because thats you support doesnt mean i do.

Learn to read, please.
 
Ive never heard of honour killings or stabbings being very common outside of Muslim families.

Hindu parents would go ape**** if their daughters stayed out till 3am, but at the most she would end up with a slap across the cheek and nothing more.
 
bhavv said:
Its a culture thing that out of all the cases of honour killings, is only common among the Muslim faith and not of the other religions.
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define very common. how common is common. it happens in all cultures it has nothing to do with religion. you cant blame religion for it
 
Shakeel said:
define very common. how common is common. it happens in all cultures it has nothing to do with religion. you cant blame religion for it
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Ive really never heard of honour killings of ones own children happening outside of Islam sorry, and if it does, its probably like 1 out 10 cases are non muslim, with the remaining 9 being muslim.

You have to be completely blind to the genuine truth if you think that honor killings happen on the same scale as they do in Muslim families outside of the Islamic culture.

I believe that culture arises from what the religion of that culture teaches, and most religions are similar, but Islam does contain and teach much more violence than the other ones, and is the only one that is so intolerant about people who go against its beliefs.

The way that the religion is taught, and the culture that arises from this is the key, not what you or anyone else personally interperate from the religion.
 
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bhavv said:
I never once said that 'Medieval Scholars' didnt believe that, you obviously have a major comprehension failure.
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Did you not mention the Dark Ages. It may if escaped your limited comprehension that the Dark Ages were in fact the Early Medieval Period or Middle Ages.

You have constantly said that Muslims, the Qur'an and specifically Mohammed all believe and teach that the Earth is Flat. As Islam was founded circa 632, this coincides with the beginning of the early Dark Ages which began around the 5th Century as the Roman Empire fell. So Islam is a medieval religion and as the known world since the rise of the Hellenistic Period of Greece after the Death of Alexander in 323BC knew the World was not flat it us highly unlikely that what you say is actually true, and not some fallacy concocted during the 18th and 19th Centuries.

Copernicus didn't discover the Earth wasn't Flat, he formulated Heliocentric Cosmology, which was actually based on work by Greek philosophers including Philolaus, Archaemedes and Aristarchus some 1500 years before. I suggest you read up on Nicolaus Copernicus' life as you will find not only was he an Astronomer, but a Catholic Cleric and He dedicated "De revolutionibus orbium coelestium" to Pope Paul III.

While it was indeed placed on the Index of Forbidden Books shortly after publication in 1616, it was never actually banned only suspended in it's original form. Copies which stated it was a hypothesis rather than a fact were not withdrawn, a change of only 9 sentences, in 1748 however Pope Benedict XIV withdrew the book from the Index and decreed it compatible with Catholic Doctrine unabridged.

You need to seperate facts from fiction if you are ever going to be taken seriously in any debate.

NeilFawcett and RDM are both adherents of non-belief Atheism and at least they stick to the facts and make a cognisant arguement. Maybe you should follow their example, instead of one made by those you rail against.
 
Angleboy said:
You obviously cant read.

I said nothing about eradicating people because of what they belive. Just because thats you support doesnt mean i do.

Learn to read, please.
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I read what you posted;)...all i was saying if you want to eradicate religion then best eradicate the people too;) and it has absolutely FA to do with what i support:rolleyes:
 
'Tradition, not religion'

None of the world's major religions condone honour-related crimes.

But perpetrators have sometimes tried to justify their actions on religious grounds.

"Honour crime happens across the board in the Asian community," says Ram Gidoomal of the South Asian Development Partnership.

"People try to blame Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs but it tends to happen in families where there are the strongest ties and expectations. It's a very strong cultural issue."

Leaders of the world's faiths have also strongly denounced a connection between religion and honour killings.
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feel free to replace the highlighted word people with bhaavs
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bhavv said:
Its a culture thing that out of all the cases of honour killings, is only common among the Muslim faith and not of the other religions.
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Another fallacy. Hinduism gas a higher rate of honour-killings in India than the Muslim community. Honour killings can be seen in many religions, it is Cultural, not religious.

Everythin we are discussing here is only blamable on one thing ultimately, Mankind.

It is Men who wrote the holy books, it is Men who interpret those books, it is Men who created religion to explain what was to them inexplicable, and Men who decide their version of the 'Truth' is worth killing for.

This 'Truth' can be Religious or Non-Religious, it all amounts to the same thing. More suffering and death has been caused by non-religious ideology, especially as religion has declined. This suggests that regardless of Religious justification, the suffering and death attributed to it would have indeed happened, just the Men ultimately responsible would have justified it some other way.

Bhavv, you are as fanatical in your 'belief' as any Muslim or Christian on this forum.

Peace My Brother.
 
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