Caporegime
Have you got a 3070 and have tried this game? Looks pretty horrible to me on the 1440P part.
He's too far gone he can't be saved so wise choice.
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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..
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Caporegime
As long as you have 16GB System ram or more an a good 6 core CPU background apps like this should not have any impact in the game at all. i even listen to Youtube Videos while playing games, it make 0 difference.
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But on the VRam, people often look at their VRam, see 7GB of 8GB used and think oh that's fine i have more than enough, its not as simple as that, when messing about with game settings there might be something you're turning on that requires more than 1GB, so you turn up the graphics setting and it only goes up by 200MB, and you think, see its fine.
However that 1GB it actually needs has been moved into system memory, or the GPU is now in a cycle of scrubbing streamed out assets to stream others in and then scrubbing again, both will bottleneck the GPU and cause microstutter.
Have you got a 3070 and have tried this game? Looks pretty horrible to me on the 1440P part.
He's too far gone he can't be saved so wise choice.
Soldato
Also @humbug I notice modern Apps like browsers have 'hardware acceleration' and if this is enabled it eats into your GPU budget. It wasnt a thing years ago but you would be surprised what software would now use them resources, one to look out for.
It doesn't affect GPU performance much, but "electron" apps like Discord, Spotify and Epic Games Launcher uses hefty amounts of VRAM for their worth. It adds up when you casually use them. The Windows compositor dwm.exe also uses more VRAM with more up-time which is not a factor for the benchmarks because every review video out there will be using clean-as-possible configs.
That is what re-size bar/sam is supposed to help with i.e. the system no longer has a temp. swap system where 256MB chunks have to be swapped about, instead the CPU can directly access the GPUs VRAM.
Caporegime
Just read what i said at post #3922 
Oh for.... what if the file is larger that what you have left in the buffer???????????
Oh for.... what if the file is larger that what you have left in the buffer???????????
Soldato
Didnt know that. Thanks for the heads-up. I dont use them apps but they shouldn't need VRAM to operate in my head.
The funny thing is nV would have gotten away with just a couple more GB on each card. The 3090 is 24GB so the 3080 at 12GB is presumably doable.
Yes people wanted to see 16GB but I think nV would have scraped a pass at 12GB on a 3080.
They just went super-stingy. Unreasonably stingy. To the point where many feel like nV are simply trying to shaft them for the sake of it. It completely put me off the 3000 series and took them off my consideration list.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
Yes people wanted to see 16GB but I think nV would have scraped a pass at 12GB on a 3080.
They just went super-stingy. Unreasonably stingy. To the point where many feel like nV are simply trying to shaft them for the sake of it. It completely put me off the 3000 series and took them off my consideration list.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
Soldato
Yep agree. Maybe because I like a card to be able to last a long time (especially when your parting with hundreds of pounds) but 10Gb is pretty stingy when 8Gb was the norm for precious gen cards.
Iirc, at the time it wasn't possible, it was either 16gb slower vram, which would have cost more (?) or cheaper faster but less vram i.e. what we got
Of course everyone would have preferred more vram but alas, it wasn't possible without pushing the price up (£650 was already way more than I wanted to spend so no way I would have paid any more than that) and for those who really wanted more vram they had the choice of the 3090 or if they are still waiting.... they can get a 3080ti with 12gb but probably be at the rumoured price of 1k+. For myself, an extra 2GB VRAM is not worth the additional £350+... Rather save that money and put it toward the next gen of gpus which will obviously be better than all these current gen gpus.....
Caporegime
Yea. But.
I will say this, the more VRam your GPU has the more it can store, or "Cache" it can put more data into the buffer and stream it in and out with out having to scrub it or move it to system ram, the result of that is a smoother more performant game, with in reason you can't actually have too much VRam, the more you have the better it is.
Caporegime
That is just pure greed. AMD had the same choice remember?
When nV is making 60%+ margins, "It wasn't possible without pushing prices up," rings a bit hollow. I'm sure it was technically possible.
Soldato
Its ******** that is costs them loads. Not buying that for one minute! 
Well yeah I meant in terms of prices for us, the consumers.... Of course amd and Nvidia are already making a good profit regardless but would as many people have bought a 3080 if it was 750+? Probably not, not to mention, would as many people have bought a 3090 if the 3080 had 12/16gb of vram? Not a chance.
Caporegime
We all know they want the 2nd hand value of these cards to be non-existent, and for 3000 series owners to upgrade to the 4000 series (not through choice).
Nail - head, perfect aim.
Indeed. Just a bit of fun as far as I am concernedFair, but we all love a bit of one-upmanship. Some people don't even own the cards anymore but they still enjoy the jousting.
Plus I do in particular enjoy pulling your leg Matt
Keep up i've been saying that for a while. I literally quoted it to you twice.
But people care about RT vs raster but disregard the end result, even if it means that artistically it suffers due to weakass hardware and bandaids known as DLSS and FSR trying to compensate for a lack in the number of bounces possible because of said weakass hardware.
I never said reusing assets is a problem or bad. They all reuse assets some more than others because of artistic direction.
What i am trying to say but you can't seem to understand is artistic direction leads everything else is secondary unless there are technical hardlimits like GPUs with intentionally gimped VRAM.
Whose we. You stated **** all and then piggy backed off my explanation.
Textures and models are the biggest users of VRAM (and textures at least are cheap calculations wise). If you are not using VRAM on textures and models what else are you going to use them on? Sound?(It was a joke, i know how slow some people on these forums are.) Everything else is miniscule in comparison.
Please tell us what technical graphical affects had to be cut because these video games spent too much of their VRAM budget on models and textures?
If you think distincting between technical achievments and artistic achievments is making a mountain out of a mole hill then there is no helping you and it is pointless having this conversation.
As I hinted at previously artistic achievments have nothing/very little to do with VRAM usage. Look at all the artistically great looking indie games that can be run on a potatoe. Sorry my bad according to you the devlopers of "rdr 2, div, days gone, metro, tomb raider, batman ak" all just need to optmise their games better. Maybe you should go work for them and give them tips and tricks.
The only games that aim to be realistic are simulators. Every other game aims to be a fun and/or interactive works of art. They don't aim to be realistic that's just you confusing your opinion for fact. Graphics wise they aim to look good, which doesn't mean realistic. Something something end result something something.
@oguzsoso @LtMatt The limited frame buffer is just one of many reasons why I ditched my RTX 3070 for a 6700XT. I still don't regret it months later. If people want to tell themselves that 8GB is enough then let them and while they sit there in their stutter-filled hell convincing themselves that it's the game's fault and not a poor choice of hardware spec the rest of us can enjoy the show from the sideline.
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