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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

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We all know they want the 2nd hand value of these cards to be non-existent, and for 3000 series owners to upgrade to the 4000 series (not through choice :p).
I really do not know why you are talking FoxEye. You went from a 5700 XT to a RTX 2070 :P
 
@oguzsoso @LtMatt The limited frame buffer is just one of many reasons why I ditched my RTX 3070 for a 6700XT. I still don't regret it months later. If people want to tell themselves that 8GB is enough then let them and while they sit there in their stutter-filled hell convincing themselves that it's the game's fault and not a poor choice of hardware spec the rest of us can enjoy the show from the sideline.

I wish i could afford a 6700XT.
 

Show me a rasterised game where reflections look as good and that don't disappear when even just turning the camera angle ever so slightly.... Like I said before, some games such as alien isolation, rdr 2 and gta 5 redux have great reflections but when compared to proper ray traced reflections, there is a clear difference...

Wouldn't lose sleep over not having ray traced shadows tbf as it is usually the first setting I turn down if having fps issues.

Old methods of lighting can be done very well too (as seen in days gone and tlous 2) but there is a still noticeable difference in the lighting with full ray tracing, going from metro enhanced to days gone and you can immediately tell that days gone feels more fake/artificial with its lighting.

Not exactly rocket science.


As said earlier, give me DLSS/FSR WITH ray tracing over no ray tracing and native res. because IQ on the former is still better than the latter. Not my problem if certain hardware struggles more than other hardware.


All a bit pointless your points on ray tracing anyway as it is in games right now and will be added more and more going forward so suck it up.


Then what exactly is your point if games reuse assets? My point was games like rdr 2, days gone etc. all look far better than all the games which are using large amounts of vram i.e. godfall and RE village in particular.... to which you seem to take offence to that comment because they happen to be games which reuse assets..... So what exactly is the problem with comparing them games then?


How about the things which make the likes of cyberpunk and assassins creed unity feel far more "alive/lived in" than likes of gta 5, batman ak, gta 5??? Can you guess what, have a watch on youtube if you're struggling.


Again, you're the one who keeps bringing up artist approaches etc. when I'm comparing likes of metro and RE village, again, we're not comparing minecraft to re village here are we :cry:

Sorry my bad according to you the devlopers of "rdr 2, div, days gone, metro, tomb raider, batman ak" all just need to optmise there games better.

The only games that aim to be realistic are simulators. Every other game aims to be a fun and/or interactive works of art. They don't aim to be realistic that's just you confusing your opinion for fact. Graphics wise they aim to look good, which doesn't mean realistic. Something something end result something something.

Wait what..... :cry: :cry: :cry:

Emmm, maybe I am reading this wrong, hope I am.... but am I not the one who is saying that those games are extremely well optimised.....

Again, you seem to be getting very confused between games like minecraft, valheim, borderlands, xii and metro, resident evil village, div, rdr 2 etc. Maybe we better contact rockstar for their next game and get them to make it more like borderlands because artistically BL is better and arguably also better looking... :cry:




Anyway, lets get this thread back on track again....

What other games is a 3080 having issues with because of vram @1440/4k? So far we have:

- godfall - an outlier and even then, as per the youtube videos etc. posted before, a 3080 looks to be performing very well here

- hzd - debunked since the one person who did a comparison was using a 5700xt/vega iirc and on an older version of the game, which had issues rendering textures

- re village - as above, seems like there aren't any issues with performance and a 3080 actually performs better than a 6800xt (with ray tracing on)

Anything else?
 
That was Bug, and his 5700 XT had throttling problems i believe.

ASRock 5700XT Challenger D. https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon RX 5700 XT Challenger D 8G OC/

The cooler on it was bad, i gave it away to someone who needed a GPU, well swapped it with a Keyboard.... it actually got worse over time but he knew what it was like as i made it very clear to him, it got him out of the hole he was in.

I liked the GPU, ASRock completely ruined it with the cheap and nasty cooler they glued to it, it was shocking. I would not sell it to anyone. And i'm never buying an ASRock GPU again.
 
ASRock 5700XT Challenger D. https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon RX 5700 XT Challenger D 8G OC/

The cooler on it was bad, i gave it away to someone who needed a GPU, well swapped it with a Keyboard.... it actually got worse over time but he knew what it was like as i made it very clear to him, it got him out of the hole he was in.

I liked the GPU, ASRock completely ruined it with the cheap and nasty cooler they glued to it, it was shocking.
You're a gentlemen and a scholar.
 
There was no way i could sell it anyway, it was that bad, it was worthless.
Actually, it's cards like that I'm going for when buying 2nd hand. They only command low price due to horrible cooler but once you slap something like a Morpheus or MK-26 on it it will perform stellarly and usually beat out or match top versions due to much better handling of the heat. I love my Prolimatech MK-26. Been on the furnace r9 290, reference 980ti, horrible cooled Inno3d x2 1080ti, **** Asus TUF RX 5700, and now on my RX 6700. That thing has been worth every penny.

I'm sitting waiting for a Crypto crash.
Smart move, it will happen sooner or later. Prices right now are silly to be sure.
 
I did look at getting an after market cooler for it, like this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/raij...nvidia-rtx-and-radeon-rx-black-hs-03g-rt.html

The problem is the GPU had a separate VRam cooler plate that obstructed the large cold plate all these after market coolers have, and i didn't want to go gluing little heat syncs all over the place. in the end one night drunk at 2AM i just bought the 2070 Super i now have. No regrets its a good GPU, tho lacking VRam :D

With the 6700XT i'm not taking any chances, i already know which one i want, its the XFX Merc 319, good looking card with a MASSIVE cooler on it.
 
Show me a rasterised game where reflections look as good and that don't disappear when even just turning the camera angle ever so slightly.... Like I said before, some games such as alien isolation, rdr 2 and gta 5 redux have great reflections but when compared to proper ray traced reflections, there is a clear difference...

Wouldn't lose sleep over not having ray traced shadows tbf as it is usually the first setting I turn down if having fps issues.

Old methods of lighting can be done very well too (as seen in days gone and tlous 2) but there is a still noticeable difference in the lighting with full ray tracing, going from metro enhanced to days gone and you can immediately tell that days gone feels more fake/artificial with its lighting.

Not exactly rocket science.

I'm assuming this is aimed at the throw away sentence about RT I had in my previous post. You are still mixing artistic and technical achievements together especially since in that post i specifically mentioned artistic and funny enough was a reference to a screen shot that I think you posted about Metro.


Then what exactly is your point if games reuse assets? My point was games like rdr 2, days gone etc. all look far better than all the games which are using large amounts of vram i.e. godfall and RE village in particular.... to which you seem to take offence to that comment because they happen to be games which reuse assets..... So what exactly is the problem with comparing them games then?

See below. Try reading it this time

Explain what? Why do different games have different VRAM needs.

So we are just going to ignore that certain games, genres and artistic directions lend themselves more to reusing certain assets to help build the enviroment over other games which may require more unique assets per scene to help build the enviroment.

Artistic direction (+story) dictates level layout and enviroment. Level layout and enviroment determines the type of assets used/reused. The amount of assets reused vs unique assets determines how much VRAM is used (within reason). Gimped and/or weakass GPUs hold back human creativity.

Not exactly rocket science.


Wait what..... :cry: :cry: :cry:

Emmm, maybe I am reading this wrong, hope I am.... but am I not the one who is saying that those games are extremely well optimised.....


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Yes you are reading it wrong. Try reading it with the sentence that proceeded it that you conveniently left out. but incase you still don't get it, I'm mocking you for thinking that the difference between technical and artistic achievement is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Keep up.

Again, you seem to be getting very confused between games like minecraft, valheim, borderlands, xii and metro, resident evil village, div, rdr 2 etc. Maybe we better contact rockstar for their next game and get them to make it more like borderlands because artistically BL is better and arguably also better looking... :cry:
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My bad i forgot there are only two art styles, full realism and fortnite.

P.S. I'm mocking you again. Just incase you missed it like last time.
 
Is this that screenshot? both of them don't look good, the one on the left has no light and the one on the right is over saturated and flat.

There must be something in between and i have seen games do lighting far better than the one on the right without Ray Tracing.

 
With the 6700XT i'm not taking any chances, i already know which one i want, its the XFX Merc 319, good looking card with a MASSIVE cooler on it.
I'll be sure to share pictures and feedback of it in the 6700 XT owners thread Bug. If it's anything like its bigger brother, it should be the best 6700 XT going.

Actually, it's cards like that I'm going for when buying 2nd hand. They only command low price due to horrible cooler but once you slap something like a Morpheus or MK-26 on it it will perform stellarly and usually beat out or match top versions due to much better handling of the heat. I love my Prolimatech MK-26. Been on the furnace r9 290, reference 980ti, horrible cooled Inno3d x2 1080ti, **** Asus TUF RX 5700, and now on my RX 6700. That thing has been worth every penny.
Fair play, sounds like you got your moneys worth from that cooler.
 
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