10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[azazl187]

You probably was overthinking man. Should have just attempted to grab a 3080 FE, used it for 12 to 24 months and sold it on without it costing you a penny. Could have even kept your 1080 Ti as a spare. Generally speaking performance is a limiter, not vram.



Not possible unfortunately as no FE model, meaning looney prices

Would have loved to grab a 3080 tbh but working while getting alerts for stock mixed with sorting kids after work and then getting lucky enough to even get a card in a basket if I do catch a drop means that people in my situation have a very small chance at getting an Fe card. I won't buy aib at those prices

 

[Tired9]

What about credit?
Although it costs more in the long run, you can pay with 0% interest and pay it in small lumps, you also gain credit score for your trouble.

 

[tommybhoy]

How is your experience if you enable FSR? FSR UQ at 4k is pretty good and worth using in fc 6 (just make sure CAS is turned off though otherwise the over sharpening becomes more obvious)

In terms of heat, I highly recommend undervolting, very easy and simple to do and most cards seem to get similar results, mine can do 1815 @ .825Mhz





PS.

you'll need to update your choice in this thread tommy

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-a-fe-reference-or-aib-model.18944597/page-3

FSR's fine, but after a while, if say you complete a main mission/some cutscenes and/or it loads in a new level, the arse collapses out it again and you have to restart the game, even@1440p too.

The undervolt will maybe happen when the summer comes as I don't like running AB as it can CTD games more than when its not running, I'll try Nv's fps cap first which can drop the core clock if your not looking for high fps.

 

[TNA]

This, its not going to cost much if anything selling it on when new cards, new higher pricing drops.

No brainer to get an FE, it doesn't matter if I have to turn off HD textures in FC6 at that pp- you might not have even have to.

Hardest part is getting a hold of one, luck of the draw getting an FE using part alert, took me a while, but others have got them sooner/later than myself.

3080 FE is hands down best card if you can get one for £650, great features, only negatives I have is the heat and vram-which is easily countered by dropping down settings to hit your fps target if you need to as @Nexus18 doesn't have to maybe because he's got 32gb ram idk.

Aib 3080, wouldn't touch one at those pp though as the vrams going to get worse going forward imo, but wouldnt entertain any aib's products all the way up the stack.

Indeed.

Using one game to prove/disprove 10GB is or isn’t enough. Bald men fighting over a comb territory stuff this. Great thread!

Would have loved to grab a 3080 tbh but working while getting alerts for stock mixed with sorting kids after work and then getting lucky enough to even get a card in a basket if I do catch a drop means that people in my situation have a very small chance at getting an Fe card. I won't buy aib at those prices

Yeah, aib prices are ludicrous and I would not touch those with a barge poll and at those prices sure I would feel 10gb is not enough also.

That said, I do think a lot of people in this thread fall into two camps. One is AMD boys being AMD boys and the other is those like yourself who say 10GB is not enough but would have loved being able to get an 3080 FE

Anyways, hopefully we get the 4000 series out this year and the 4070 comes with 16gb. Can’t see it not to be honest. So we will have 3090 or there about performance and 16gb of VRAM hopefully for £500-£550. That’s what I will likely be buying.

 

[LtMatt]

Using one game to prove/disprove 10GB is or isn’t enough. Bald men fighting over a comb territory stuff this. Great thread!

Not sure how much you have been following the thread, but links/proof were asked for of a specific example of where 10GB isn't enough. That proof was promptly provided by multiple tech sites and from users actually using 3080s.

The general consensus from most people in here though is that it is enough for most games, but not everything, especially when you get into 4K max settings territory.

This often gets lost by the tribal deniers though.

FSR's fine, but after a while, if say you complete a main mission/some cutscenes and/or it loads in a new level, the arse collapses out it again and you have to restart the game, even@1440p too.

Big oof!

 

[Nexus18]

FSR's fine, but after a while, if say you complete a main mission/some cutscenes and/or it loads in a new level, the arse collapses out it again and you have to restart the game, even@1440p too.

The undervolt will maybe happen when the summer comes as I don't like running AB as it can CTD games more than when its not running, I'll try Nv's fps cap first which can drop the core clock if your not looking for high fps.

Yeah something defo is not right on your end if you're getting that with FSR UQ @1440p too, only thing I can think of is your 16gb ram i.e. these were my screenshots before the patch, you can see ram usage:

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After patch, obviously different areas but as per my notes, shaz, grim5 and a couple other people said the same:

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That's at 3440x1440 too.

And only other things I can think of which might be different is I have hardware scheduler enabled (no idea if it helps or not, I just leave it on though).

EDIT:

As per my link to ubisoft forums with issues, people do seem to be getting fps drops on a variety of hardware though, especially in cutscenes, supposedly developers are looking into it.

https://discussions.ubisoft.com/top...-for-your-issue-updated-19-01-2022?lang=en-US

Not sure how much you have been following the thread, but links/proof were asked for of a specific example of where 10GB isn't enough. That proof was promptly provided by multiple tech sites and from users actually using 3080s.

The general consensus from most people in here though is that it is enough for most games, but not everything, especially when you get into 4K max settings territory.

This often gets lost by the tribal deniers though.

Of which said provided "straws" were debunked

 

[Woodsta888]

Not sure how much you have been following the thread, but links/proof were asked for of a specific example of where 10GB isn't enough. That proof was promptly provided by multiple tech sites and from users actually using 3080s.

The general consensus from most people in here though is that it is enough for most games, but not everything, especially when you get into 4K max settings territory.

This often gets lost by the tribal deniers though.

Big oof!

One game, where your most recent chart 'facts' were from FC6 game release day 7th October, and the bang for buck video!

You need to adopt a more objective view rather than the red tinted subjective view you have obtained from AMD towers.

Your forum handle needs to change to LtFCAT or AMDshrout.

 

[LtMatt]

One game, where your most recent chart 'facts' were from FC6 game release day 7th October, and the bang for buck video!

You need to adopt a more objective view rather than the red tinted subjective view you have obtained from AMD towers.

Your forum handle needs to change to LtFCAT or AMDshrout.

That’s what was asked and was provided.

Tommy confirmed the results are true as well, even with ReBar off.

I only provided the tech press articles and user feedback from 3080 users. Not sure how much more objective I can frame it.

I’ve not posted any video or screenshot from that YouTube channel recently, that was Nexus a few pages back, think you might be confused.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Not sure how much you have been following the thread, but links/proof were asked for of a specific example of where 10GB isn't enough. That proof was promptly provided by multiple tech sites and from users actually using 3080s.

The general consensus from most people in here though is that it is enough for most games, but not everything, especially when you get into 4K max settings territory.

This often gets lost by the tribal deniers though.

This. Seems the 3080 owners are the ones that like to move swiftly over this, strange as they want the evidence then when an actual instance of it happening materialises, all efforts to the end of the earth are used to disprove it!

Seems you cant have a conversation over it without someone getting prickly. It used to be the CPU forum that struggled years and years ago. Maybe component forums are a sore platform to keep it a discussion.

 

[TNA]

 

[Woodsta888]

That’s what was asked and was provided.

Tommy confirmed the results are true as well, even with ReBar off.

I only provided the tech press articles and user feedback from 3080 users. Not sure how much more objective I can frame it.

I’ve not posted any video or screenshot from that YouTube channel recently, that was Nexus a few pages back, think you might be confused.

The chart you've imgur'd shows the ray tracing scores. So the game is crippled with HD textures AND ray tracing. But with RT off normal rasterization and HD texture pack works fine. And HD texture packs, RT & FSR = fine


So, the game is playable on a 3080 with HD texture packs, RT on using FSR. Or HD texture packs RT off.

The only instance where a 3080 in FC6 is crippled is using HD textures and RT only with no FSR. And this 'review' was from release day 7th Oct 2021 and has probably been patched by now. The 'asker' said 'outliers excepted.

Even SAM/rbar is enabled!

SO you chopped the top off your imgur evidence chart.....objective or subjective? And you say feedback from 3080 users, other than thommyboy who else?

 

[LtMatt]

The chart you've imgur'd shows the ray tracing scores. So the game is crippled with HD textures AND ray tracing. But with RT off normal rasterization and HD texture pack works fine. And HD texture packs, RT & FSR = fine


So, the game is playable on a 3080 with HD texture packs, RT on using FSR. Or HD texture packs RT off.

The only instance where a 3080 in FC6 is crippled is using HD textures and RT only with no FSR. And this 'review' was from release day 7th Oct 2021 and has probably been patched by now. The 'asker' said 'outliers excepted.

Even SAM/rbar is enabled!

SO you chopped the top off your imgur evidence chart.....objective or subjective? And you say feedback from 3080 users, other than thommyboy who else?

We are talking about the requirements to run Far Cry 6, at maximum settings, using 4K resolution, with the additional HD Texture pack and is 10GB enough to run the game without issues.

The developer lists the requirements to use the HD Texture pack, they are as follows:

PC

HD Texture Pack — Some assets appearing blurry

Developer comment: We have made some changes for the HD Texture Pack on PC that should decrease the blurriness that appeared for some players when using the HD Texture Pack. When looking into these reports, we are seeing players using graphics cards with less than 12 GB of VRAM available. When using the HD Texture Pack with less than the minimum required VRAM available, the performance and the look of the game can be worse than without the pack.

When the 1.07 patch was released, it was claimed that all the issues were fixed in the 1.07 patch. Here is what I think the issues were based on the Far Cry 6 thread:

1. Blurry Textures
2. Bad frame times
3. Stuttering
4. Crashes

Looking at the patch notes, only issue: 1 was fixed. There is no mention of fixing frame times, stuttering etc. The developers did however kindly point out that when they looked at the user reports, a lot of people running the HD Texture pack didn't meet the requirements to use it. Then they specifically mention that If you do try to use it and you don't meet the requirements, you will experience performance and visual issues.

The reason that chart (here is the original link for your review) was posted is that it shows the exact behaviour (FPS drops to single digits due to vram saturation) that Tommy saw at 4K maximums settings. This was the exact issue that was apparently fixed in the patch 1.07. Tommy is using the latest version of the game, patched up. He also said it happens at 1440P, but we'll just focus on 4K for now for simplicity.

It has evidently not been fixed (as Tommy and Gerard confirmed). Unfortunately, you can't just patch in extra video memory via a software update to make a graphics card meet the requirements. This was denied however, and became a point of contention. Especially as the developer listed the requirements quite clearly.

Here is a link to Tommy's video.

Here is a link to Gerard's YouTube channel (he deserves the plug tbf - running Alder Lake CPU and 3080 and uploads a lot of 4K videos using his 3080)

As Gerard had posted some Far Cry 6 videos recently, where he mentioned the issues in the video description, I asked him to tell me if the 1.07 patch fixed the issues he claimed existed in the earlier Far Cry 6 videos he had posted to his channel. This was his response.

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As the developer mentions that you need 12GB or more to run the HD Texture pack, (they even mention 16GB is needed for 4K for optimal performance) this would be expected. But those results were wrong, fake, or patched, right? No, they were not wrong. It wasn't patched. Those results were actually correct.

Ray Tracing also seems to use some video memory, so there is a chance that toggling either that or HD Textures on or off may help. Don't know, don't have a 3080. Tommy could try it and confirm perhaps. The thing is though, this has never been up for debate, no one has ever said otherwise. We all agreed that lower a couple of settings, or just disable the HD Texture pack, and it should work fine.

That has already been confirmed by Tommy, Gerard and I believe other 3080 users in the Far Cry 6 thread. For example, I think Stooeh said something along the lines of the game runs fine with a couple of settings lowered and or FSR enabled. Apologies Stooeh If I am talking out of turn saying that.

So in summary, I'm not really sure what your problem is. Maybe you have not been keeping up with the thread, maybe you are just trying to defend your graphics card purchase. If that is the case, then you don't need to do that as I have commented on my opinion of your graphics card, refer back a few pages where I said:

My opinion has never changed. The 3080 was and is still a great card, at a great price point. I'd have got one if they were easily available at RRP. I had a few things I'd have liked to test in a controlled environment. Then I'd have sold it on (at cost) to a needy gamer on the MM, just as i did with a 6800 XT and some 6900 XTs to other respected members here.

Is it enough to run everything maxed out without issues like the ones already documented? No. Is it enough for most things, yes it is. I think most of the sane people in the thread would agree with that. Will that change in the future, perhaps lets wait and see. I'm sure the next game/debate is just around the corner.

 

[Nexus18]

Pretty much

 

[Blackjack Davy]

As the developer mentions that you need 12GB or more to run the HD Texture pack, (they even mention 16GB is needed for 4K for optimal performance) this would be expected. But those results were wrong, fake, or patched, right? No, they were not wrong. It wasn't patched. Those results were actually correct.

Optional HD texture packs eat Vram as a rule for any game whether you can regard that as standard usage is another matter, personally I prefer cards with higher vram because I tend to mod games a lot and especially textures but people will argue whether its strictly necessary and its a fair point

Seems you cant have a conversation over it without someone getting prickly. It used to be the CPU forum that struggled years and years ago.

If anything its calmed down around here, times gone past it would erupted into full scale bloodletting by now and some people would be taking an enforced holiday.

 

[Grim5]

^^ rtx3080 owners trying run away from the vram demon coming to eat their games

 

[TNA]

^^ rtx3080 owners trying run away from the vram demon coming to eat their games

Bla bla bla. Later this year we will all be on 4000 series anyway and as I predicted all this vram talk will be nonsense

 

[Twinz]

My 3080 ran out of raw grunt first. It may run out of vram someday, but the GPU itself was "not enough" to max out my driving sims in VR the day I installed it and it had nothing to do with the vram buffer.

 

[Tired9]

Same here with my 3070, no game maxes my VRAM buffer out besides DOOM Eternal which by the point you need to use more than 8GB, you are on Ultra - Nightmare settings which don't look any different to Ultra on my 1440P native display.

And we are talking around 100-150 FPS when this happens, not 14 FPS and the card struggling, vs 200 FPS all night and day with Ultra and 0.1% visual change.

 

[TNA]

My 3080 ran out of raw grunt first. It may run out of vram someday, but the GPU itself was "not enough" to max out my driving sims in VR the day I installed it and it had nothing to do with the vram buffer.

Same here with my 3070, no game maxes my VRAM buffer out besides DOOM Eternal which by the point you need to use more than 8GB, you are on Ultra - Nightmare settings which don't look any different to Ultra on my 1440P native display.

And we are talking around 100-150 FPS when this happens, not 14 FPS and the card struggling, vs 200 FPS all night and day with Ultra and 0.1% visual change.

Yep. But you know… Far Cry 6, Godfail!

Spoiler

 

[LtMatt]

A TL : DR for new users entering the thread and wondering what all the emotion on display is about.

• 3080 owner/forum User asks for an example where 10gb is not enough.
• Example provided. (Far Cry 6 4K/Max Settings with HD Texture pack)
• 3080 owners’ debate/deny provided example.
• Provided example validated by tech press outlets, game developer and 3080 owners.
• Existing 3080 owner enters the thread and proclaims one or more of the following:
  • Local system issues/Game runs fine for me, just don't look at my frame time overlay from my two minute video recording.
  • Tech press examples not valid, as HUB did not see any issue when using lower than maximum settings in their 30 second benchmark run.
  • Provided example does not count as game is buggy/poor and or provided example does not count because a different game only uses 8GB or less of memory at 4K max settings.
  • I've never played the provided example, I only game below 4K/use image reconstruction/lower image quality settings, based on that I have always run out of grunt before memory.
  • Must be a game issue/developers will fix it eventually.
• The cycle will start over when one or both of the following happens again.
  • A new owner/user enters the discussion to ask for an example where 10GB is not enough.
  • There is a new game released that may require more than 10GB of video memory at 4K maximum settings.