10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

TNA · 4 May 2022 at 12:29

Bill Turnip said:
I reckon that the 6900XT will be the better performer...but it is markedly more expensive.

The 6800XT would be a better comparison.

Well said. If we are going to start comparing top end cards, might as well compare the 6900 XT with a 3090 Ti. In which case I am sure the 3090 Ti would be the better performer?

The comparison should be the 6800 XT as you say, as they have comparable MSRP as far as I recall. Not that you was ever able to get a 6800 XT at MSRP here, not many anyway relative to the 3080 FE.

gpuerrilla · 4 May 2022 at 12:48

Bill Turnip said:
I have no axe to grind, I got FC6 to see for myself... And found that I had an issue at 4k. A couple of other small points too, but basically i agree that vram is the limitation.

I still consider 10gb enough on the whole, but this was a definite, reproducible issue I encountered. Like I said, certain scenarios and all that.

Seems as we both align Bill. Its some odd folk that want to argue middle ground/tangents then which is best to let them burn out in fantasy land.

LtMatt · 4 May 2022 at 13:11

Just remember I didn't make the 6900 XT comparison to the 3080 initially. However, I'll take that bet all day long and twice on Sundays. :cry:

tommybhoy · 4 May 2022 at 13:44

@Nexus18 paid £517 for a launch day aib 3070, of course it took ages to get a 3080 Fe-theyr'e nearly never on sale....

At the end of the day I paid less for an aib 70+80Fe than the avg price of an aib 3080 10Gb gpu through most of this gen, salty you say?

*cough* 18gb of vram cost less than the avg aib 10gb 80 through most of this gen.

And they say the 80 would have to cost waaaaaay more if it got an extra 2gb

Bill Turnip said:
myself and Tommybhoy own the hardware and are happy with 10gb.

If only common sense was a stick on.

turbot1984 · 4 May 2022 at 14:14

This thread reminded me what a total waste having 8GB was on my R9 390 seven years ago. Guess the same is true today?

TNA · 4 May 2022 at 14:31

And round and round we go as usual :cry:

It's good you all agree with Bill though:

Bill Turnip said:
I still consider 10gb enough on the whole

Basically he is saying the same as me

Nexus18 · 4 May 2022 at 18:32

Bill Turnip said:
I have no axe to grind, I got FC6 to see for myself... And found that I had an issue at 4k. A couple of other small points too, but basically i agree that vram is the limitation.

I still consider 10gb enough on the whole, but this was a definite, reproducible issue I encountered. Like I said, certain scenarios and all that.

What makes it even more funny is that a certain one is even egging on that 10gb is not even enough for 1440p now (and isn't joking....) and potentially only good enough for 1080P :cry:

tommybhoy said:
@Nexus18 paid £517 for a launch day aib 3070, of course it took ages to get a 3080 Fe-theyr'e nearly never on sale....

At the end of the day I paid less for an aib 70+80Fe than the avg price of an aib 3080 10Gb gpu through most of this gen, salty you say?

*cough* 18gb of vram cost less than the avg aib 10gb 80 through most of this gen.

And they say the 80 would have to cost waaaaaay more if it got an extra 2gb

If only common sense was a stick on.

Yup, still salty

At the time, a 12Gb GDDR6x 3080 was not possible, sure maybe nvidia could have gone with just 16gb ddr6 on the 3080 and charged the same but not a single person, including myself can state this with 100% certainty and "evidence" so bit pointless "speculating" on it.

Have you seen the price the 3080 12GB and 3080ti models?

And even if nvidia did release a 12GB 3080 at the time alongside a 3080 10gb, personally I still would not have paid extra unless we are talking about <£50 difference.... Especially when you see a 3080 12gb barely performing any better than the 3080 10gb, oh sorry, forgot about fc 6... :cry:

But each to their own and all that.

TNA said:
Waste of time mate. Bias seems to be the cause of all this imo.

At the end of the day nothing said here changes my thoughts. The 3080 is imo the best GPU this gen. It has a very nice balance. Sure there maybe one or two games where if you load optional texture there might be an issue. But who cares? The real question is, is there are games worth playing that needs more than 10GB? Answer is no imo.

We already discussed to death why the card only has 10gb and had they put on more the price would go up. At the end of the day if you went 6080 XT you would be missing out on a whole lot more than FC6 optional textures. Yet we don't see anyone here making a dedicated thread about this and going on and on about it. But yeah, let's frame this as the 3080 crowd have an axe to grind or in denial etc

Funny thing is I think you are the only person in this whole forum that says FC6 works perfectly fine at 4K with the optional textures, yet some clearly try to make it look like there are many doing this for point scoring purposes.

*like*

Nail on the head.

If I had the same fps drops down to single digits/stutters etc. as tommy, I would have posted stating that (just as I did when I had rebar enabled and didn't use FSR) but I didn't hence why I merely post saying how it "could" be something far more complex/deeper going on behind the scenes or/and on their systems than just "simply" being "not enough vram and nothing else at play".... especially when you look at the big picture i.e. a few 3090 owners stating the same, people reporting the same issues even WITHOUT the hd texture pack, not to mention, it's only 2 tech sites stating they had/have similar issues, HUB and others haven't shown there to be any issues yet they have the issues on their 3070 (and iirc, those 2 sites just so happen to also force enable rebar, which based on my experience also led to the issue...) and factor in that it's a completely moot point anyway since you will need to use FSR at 4k too when talking about 3080 level of perf. (pcgamershardware 6800xt gets similar fps to what I get @ native 4k i.e. 45-55fps, oh wait, sorry apparently that one result is wrong though because matts 6800xt gets more perf., remember, narrative....

)

It's like when the textures were ****** i.e. not loading correctly, same people = "100% not enough vram and nothing else" despite the developers stating they found the issue then fast forward 3-4 patches, it's fixed....

I've shown exactly where you can and "will" encounter vram issue with cp 2077 and using several 4-8k texture packs and how vram issues look/work, having your fps plummet instantly down to 5 fps and never returning is not the "norm".

What is evident right now is how every gpu is running out of grunt now (at least for my wants/needs) so roll on rdna 3/40xx :cool:

Bill Turnip · 4 May 2022 at 18:39

How many people have said that Far Cry 6 works with the ultra HD pack on 10gb or less? Not being funny, just a list. I'm aware you haven't run into any issues, but is there anyone else?

So far the list of people that I'm aware of that have one and have run into issues are myself and Tommy.

Nexus18 · 4 May 2022 at 18:56

Bill Turnip said:
How many people have said that Far Cry 6 works with the ultra HD pack on 10gb or less? Not being funny, just a list. I'm aware you haven't run into any issues, but is there anyone else?

So far the list of people that I'm aware of that have one and have run into issues are myself and Tommy.

At the time of the HD texture pack being fixed with regards to the rendering/loading of textures, loads did in the ubi 70+ page thread (as people were also reporting fps/stutters in there too and noted they no longer had these problems either)

This page has definitely closed. To find your favorite forums and threads, go to https://discussions.ubisoft.com.

discussions.ubisoft.com

In terms of tech reviewers, easier to list that only 2 of the go to/reputable ones have stated issues, pcgamershardware and computerbase.de (again both force enabled rebar which is when my FPS also and only plummeted to 5)

No clue on this forum, for problems, I think it is just you, tommy and some other guy (but then according to his yt comments, he also was experiencing issues without it and facing CTD non stop.....). I can't recall if you posted performance figures but were you getting fps drops to 5 and having it stuck at as well?

Remember you will always get people posting when they face problems and not posting when things work. Given how popular/well sold the the 3080 is, you would think if it was a "consistent" issue that affected "all" 3080s, there would be far more reports.....

LtMatt · 4 May 2022 at 19:02

Bill Turnip said:
How many people have said that Far Cry 6 works with the ultra HD pack on 10gb or less? Not being funny, just a list. I'm aware you haven't run into any issues, but is there anyone else?

So far the list of people that I'm aware of that have one and have run into issues are myself and Tommy.

Gerard has a 3080 and reported the same issues as you and Tommy and pcgameshardware/computer base.

Bill Turnip · 4 May 2022 at 19:09

But they've marked an issue as resolved when it related to textures being blurry. Wasn't the problem I had. The problem I had was that it worked at about 70fps at 3840 x 1600, but slowing right down at full 4k.

I take your point on the far more reports thing. But I've tested it on the same machine, with the only difference being the resolution of the monitor. Lowering the resolution sorted out general gameplay which to me would suggest the vram was struggling.

I will say that there seemed to be a bug going in and out of the menu, but that was on both resolutions, so don't belive it was related, but didn't test it extensively as I had a house to redecorate.

Nexus18 · 4 May 2022 at 19:20

Bill Turnip said:
But they've marked an issue as resolved when it related to textures being blurry. Wasn't the problem I had. The problem I had was that it worked at about 70fps at 3840 x 1600, but slowing right down at full 4k.

I take your point on the far more reports thing. But I've tested it on the same machine, with the only difference being the resolution of the monitor. Lowering the resolution sorted out general gameplay which to me would suggest the vram was struggling.

I will say that there seemed to be a bug going in and out of the menu, but that was on both resolutions, so don't belive it was related, but didn't test it extensively as I had a house to redecorate.

As mentioned in my post, people were posting in there about the performance too, once the patch released, people were providing feedback on the patch, just so happens with that patch, ubi also dropped the requirement from 16gb vram to 12gb vram. No idea what they did to fix it but with the patch, several people noted that ram usage jumped up by 4/5+ GB, which could explain why performance also improved for various people including the main issue fix i.e. textures loading correctly

Bill Turnip · 4 May 2022 at 19:24

Not arguing with that. Still had frame rate drops at 4k that I didn't have at 3840 x 1600 though.

Nexus18 · 4 May 2022 at 19:28

Bill Turnip said:
Not arguing with that. Still had frame rate drops at 4k that I didn't have at 3840 x 1600 though.

According to some, 3080s are also having bad fps drops at 1440p too though.....

Bill Turnip · 4 May 2022 at 19:36

Can't say that I was, other than the menu problem. Gameplay was fine lower than 4k, until I ran into the menu issue which then kept the frame rate all janky and required a restart. This was seemingly random as most of the time, it was fine, then when occasionally when I come out of the menu and go back to the game, it would stick to around 20fps. As it was random and not reproducible on demand, I put it to a bug within the game.

At 4k, it consistently couldn't handle it smoothly. This was repeatable.

I'd reckon the 1440p issues were related to the game bug I had, but wouldn't know without looking harder. I wouldn't link it to the repeatable vram issue I had.

Don't know I'm right, but just how I see it based on the experience I had.

TNA · 5 May 2022 at 10:09

Just looked the new GPU Hierarchy thread. Seems that my 3070 is in the same tier as the 6900 XT. Best part is Matt agrees as not only did he not take issue with the list, he gave it a thumbs up :cry:

Actually the best part was Nexus’s comment

Nexus18 · 5 May 2022 at 10:20

Bill Turnip said:
Can't say that I was, other than the menu problem. Gameplay was fine lower than 4k, until I ran into the menu issue which then kept the frame rate all janky and required a restart. This was seemingly random as most of the time, it was fine, then when occasionally when I come out of the menu and go back to the game, it would stick to around 20fps. As it was random and not reproducible on demand, I put it to a bug within the game.

At 4k, it consistently couldn't handle it smoothly. This was repeatable.

I'd reckon the 1440p issues were related to the game bug I had, but wouldn't know without looking harder. I wouldn't link it to the repeatable vram issue I had.

Don't know I'm right, but just how I see it based on the experience I had.

Wonder if that same person who is praising you for your findings @ 4k will also agree with you on the 1440p stance.....

TNA said:
Just looked the new GPU Hierarchy thread. Seems that my 3070 is in the same tier as the 6900 XT. Best part is Matt agrees as not only did he not take issue with the list, he gave it a thumbs up

Actually the best part was Nexus’s comment

Give it time, finewine and all that i.e. in 3-4 years when everyone has moved onto newer and better gpus

Bill Turnip · 5 May 2022 at 10:28

Nexus18 said:
Wonder if that same person who is praising you for your findings @ 4k will also agree with you on the 1440p stance.....

Not really in it for praise, just data points. And to be clear, while I'm not linking the 1440 drops to vram, my tests were at 3840 x 1600.

Like I said, I didn't try 1440p, but I had a menu bug which happened at all resolutions I tried. If it happens at 720p, that suggests a separate, non-vram related issue.

These menu drops were not repeatable on demand though. The vram limit was.

LtMatt · 5 May 2022 at 10:31

TNA said:
Just looked the new GPU Hierarchy thread. Seems that my 3070 is in the same tier as the 6900 XT. Best part is Matt agrees as not only did he not take issue with the list, he gave it a thumbs up

Actually the best part was Nexus’s comment

It's a nice idea so gave it a like. As you've just highlighted though, it is flawed to say the least when you look at overall performance.

Didn't feel it was worth providing my feedback as I had a feeling others would question the logic of the list which is what we've already seen.

And ultimately, the 6900 XT could be in tier F and I still wouldn't care.

Nexus18 · 5 May 2022 at 10:35

Bill Turnip said:
Not really in it for praise, just data points. And to be clear, while I'm not linking the 1440 drops to vram, my tests were at 3840 x 1600.

Like I said, I didn't try 1440p, but I had a menu bug which happened at all resolutions I tried. If it happens at 720p, that suggests a separate, non-vram related issue.

These menu drops were not repeatable on demand though. The vram limit was.

I know you're not

But either way, you aren't facing issues at 3840 x 1600 therefore you defo won't be at 1440p despite what one will try to have others believe....

I'll never forget joker (youtuber) with his 3080ti having his fps plummet to 5 fps then he said he went to take a screenshot to share on twitter but his fps just magically went back up, it's magic... :cry: