10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[Twinz]

My 3080 (now moved to my wife's PC) ran out of GPU horsepower first. I can't run max settings on any of my VR sims. -Not even iRacing, and that's a well-optimized title.
10gb 3080 can't do it.
12gb 3080Ti can't do it.
16gb 6800xt can't do it.
So many people worring about turning down settings. I had to turn down settings from day one, and it had nothing ro do with vram.

"Just wait till you have to turn down settings!" They say.

Been there, done that. Still doing it. (and not because of vram)

@Twinz so with your high end components why would your even care? does you E-Peen just want to pull the ladder up for everyone else? You paid the most so you, not the rest of us have the right to it?

I am actually pointing out how irrelevant the bigger buffers are because the gpus themselves can't keep up.

Had I not mentiined owning the cards with bigger buffers, I would have been accused of not having first-hand experience.

 

[humbug]

I am actually pointing out how irrelevant the bigger buffers are because the gpus themselves can't keep up.

Had I not mentiined owning the cards with bigger buffers, I would have been accused of not having first-hand experience.

You have a 3080Ti and a 6800XT, you're telling me i don't need what you have because i don't buy high end enough.

 

[LtMatt]

I am actually pointing out how irrelevant the bigger buffers are because the gpus themselves can't keep up.

Had I not mentiined owning the cards with bigger buffers, I would have been accused of not having first-hand experience.

In your example that may well be the case. It’s a valid example. Have we ever said different? So with that in mind, what about the example that was asked for and provided, do you take the same approach to that example in that it may well be valid? If so then I think we are all good and agreed.

 

[Twinz]

In your example that may well be the case. It’s a valid example. Have we ever said different? So with that in mind, what about the example that was asked for and provided, do you take the same approach to that example in that it may well be valid? If so then I think we are all good and agreed.

Lowered settings are lowered settings. I don't understand why the buffer snobs only seem to think lowered settings are bad when it's due to the buffer.

It's as if lowered settings are fine as long as my buffer is big enough.

 

[LtMatt]

Lowered settings are lowered settings. I don't understand why the buffer snobs only seem to think lowered settings are bad when it's due to the buffer.

It's as if lowered settings are fine as long as my buffer is big enough.

You didn’t answer my question?

Can you show me posts where anyone has ever said in this thread ‘it’s bad to lower settings’? All anyone has ever said is that to validate the asked for example, use maximum settings and a 4K resolution.

 

[humbug]

There are games with settings or features i cannot play because of a lack of VRam on my 2070S, nothing to do with performance, the performance is there.

If i spend £600 on a 3070Ti i have the same problem, it doesn't fix my issue, that's why i'm making all of this noise, the last thing i want to see is yet another generation of ##70 class GPU's now starting at £600 with VRam that is yet again of no use to me.

So forgive me if i'm not impressed by people with 3080Ti's telling me i don't know what i'm talking about and that i don't need it.

I still don't understand why its so important to these people that Nvidia do nothing other than keep the status quo.

 

[Nexus18]

Woopeee we can demonstrate the workflow which has been kindly put together by evil naysayers (because the debunkers just sit there and add nothing). Well done @LtMatt for explaining what has been there for months.



Exactly... [no they must be bitter people that don't own the card]

And what exactly do you add to this thread other than patting your fellow knitting colleagues backs whilst never adding any actual evidence/substance to support your claims such as "many games"

But yes please do go back to mining on your 3090 before the value drops <£700

Of course the list will grow once newer AAA games come out and require more powerful hardware, the settings will need to be lowered for any of the Gpus from this generation but to think the 3080 is a special case is folly infact dropping settings for the higher frames to maintain 60fps will also reduce VRAM use so you could argue that anything above 10gb will just see even more VRAM wasted than it is already and don't forget you are paying a large premium for that VRAM.

As cards age it's the raster performance rather than the VRAM which becomes the main bottleneck.

Few understand.

But surprisingly seems gullible finally agrees with the like reaction Knew he would eventually get there in the end



Inner knitting circle remind me of Trump and how he would provide "evidence" to support his claims

 

[Twinz]

The title of the thread asks if 10gb is enough. If the definition of "enough" is max settings, then the gpu itself is not "enough".

 

[Nexus18]

@Joxeon you can scower the threads I have posted and you will find the only points I have made historically regarding vram have been about 4k or UW 1440p. There is a massive difference though from one person and a couple of games to the reality. All people do in your scenario is ignore the frequency and pretend it does not exist. If your gaming on other conditions it has nothing to do with what I have been mentioning and all is good with the world!

Ignoring the fact yet again that people who own a 3080 also own UW 1440 and 4k

PS. I'm pretty sure at one point you even stated that 3080 10gb wouldn't have enough for 1080p, shall I go digging?

 

[Nexus18]

It was debunked as not being an issue in the "present" time, that doesn't rule it out that it "might" have very well been an issue on "launch" as attested to by your very own footage in FC 6:






Your latest run with the 6900xt:




So seems it was a game(s) or/and amd thing.

Can you explain that? Waiting for the "I was using different encoding settings" excuse

Come on @LtMatt , we're all waiting for your take on this based on your very own footage

 

[mingey]

Yes all that anecdotal evidence that still might exists some time between now and the twilight zone.

 

[humbug]

Few understand.

Understand what?

 

[Nexus18]

Understand what?

You're missing the sarcasm to that post of a certain someone who only ever posts one liners echoing other peoples comments and never providing anything of his own to the thread.

However, on a serious note, what joxeon posted is 100% correct, as myself and several 3080 "owners" have now attested to in here, we are having to lower settings or/and use upscaling tech. in order to use max settings and hit an acceptable fps target (which is subjective obviously i.e. for myself I have a 3440x1440 175hz screen and a 3080, nor even a 3090ti would provide me the grunt to get anywhere close to that hence they reducing settings or/and using a higher dlss preset, which in return also lowers vram usage)

 

[LtMatt]

The title of the thread asks if 10gb is enough. If the definition of "enough" is max settings, then the gpu itself is not "enough".

You still didn't answer my question, can i push you to answer it as I did yours @Twinz ?

Only the person that created the thread can answer what the definition could be. I would interpret it as 'Is 10GB enough so that the GPU gets saturated by performance rather than VRAM? If that was the intention, then the answer would ultimately be no, as shown in the asked for and provided example. However, it obviously would be enough for most things and in that case you would run out of grunt first. If you look through the thread, I've said similar from the beginning. Unfortunately it seems some, yourself included Twinz, cannot grasp that in the provided example at least, it's not enough and you run out of VRAM before grunt. Either that or you just don't want to acknowledge it by answering the question, Twinz?

 

[humbug]

You're missing the sarcasm to that post of a certain someone who only ever posts one liners echoing other peoples comments and never providing anything of his own to the thread.

However, on a serious note, what joxeon posted is 100% correct, as myself and several 3080 "owners" have now attested to in here, we are having to lower settings or/and use upscaling tech. in order to use max settings and hit an acceptable fps target (which is subjective obviously i.e. for myself I have a 3440x1440 175hz screen and a 3080, nor even a 3090ti would provide me the grunt to get anywhere close to that hence they reducing settings or/and using a higher dlss preset, which in return also lowers vram usage)

Does your anecdotal evidence override the rest of us?

 

[stooeh]

You didn’t answer my question?

Can you show me posts where anyone has ever said in this thread ‘it’s bad to lower settings’? All anyone has ever said is that to validate the asked for example, use maximum settings and a 4K resolution.

Maybe I should start a 'Is 68 SMs enough for the 3080 thread?'

 

[LtMatt]

Maybe I should start a 'Is 68 SMs enough for the 3080 thread?'

Someone will create a new thread once new products come out, you can guarantee it. Start thread, abandon thread, watch the fireworks.

 

[Nexus18]

Does your anecdotal evidence override the rest of us?

I've posted my footage and plenty of benchmarks to showcase the lack of grunt affecting gpus before vram does, which is far more than what anyone else has posted so far. Can you show me a gpu that does max settings (throw in RT especially) and locks to 170+ fps @ 3440x1440 even with dlss/fsr quality/balanced preset?

It's not our problem if you have a thing against reviewers such as HU, DF, gamersnexus or whoever is on your list at the moment of not being "knowledgeable/trustworthy" or whatever reason you have.

As it is, show me a gpu (especially at the time of launch) that could achieve great performance all round including RT settings for <£700, there wasn't..... There was only one other option and that was the 3090 which cost £750 more (as most have pointed out, not worth that, would you agree?), it could also be argued that the 3070 was a good card too but as shown, it's lacking grunt quite considerably when it comes to RT.

PS.

We're not talking about 8gb here, hence the thread title "10gb".... I think we have all agreed that 8gb is not great going forward, more so for 4k especially if you refuse to use dlss or/and appropriate settings for said card in the first place but as evidenced a 3070 even with 8gb vram as shown by TPU and HU in their 50 game average (which has barely any ray tracing titles included) is still better than their equivalent competitor cards "overall", which have more vram. If you're someone who needs more vram, great go buy the card with more vram.

 

[humbug]

I've posted my footage and plenty of benchmarks to showcase the lack of grunt affecting gpus before vram does, which is far more than what anyone else has posted so far. Can you show me a gpu that does max settings (throw in RT especially) and locks to 170+ fps @ 3440x1440 even with dlss/fsr quality/balanced preset?

It's not our problem if you have a thing against reviewers such as HU, DF, gamersnexus or whoever is on your list at the moment of not being "knowledgeable/trustworthy" or whatever reason you have.

As it is, show me a gpu (especially at the time of launch) that could achieve great performance all round including RT settings for <£700, there wasn't..... There was only one other option and that was the 3090 which cost £750 more (as most have pointed out, not worth that, would you agree?), it could also be argued that the 3070 was a good card too but as shown, it's lacking grunt quite considerably when it comes to RT.

PS.

We're not talking about 8gb here, hence the thread title "10gb".... I think we have all agreed that 8gb is not great going forward, more so for 4k especially if you refuse to use dlss or/and appropriate settings for said card in the first place but as evidenced a 3070 even with 8gb vram as shown by TPU and HU in their 50 game average (which has barely any ray tracing titles included) is still better than their equivalent competitor cards, which have more vram.

That is a very long winded way of not answering the question at all.
Look back at the whole thread, its nothing but one side trying to bash the other side in-to submission with anecdotal evidence by doing it more than the other side, like a war of attrition, as if the more mountainous their anecdotal evidence is the more like they are to win the argument, like the persons own experience is there in rendered unambiguously false.

Its ###### insanity.

If i'm paying £600 for a GPU i don't want to have to be making the same compromises i would have with a GPU costing much less than that, or the same compromises i'm having to make on older GPU's, can you accept that?

Why do you even care so much?

 

[Twinz]

There are games with settings or features i cannot play because of a lack of VRam on my 2070S, nothing to do with performance, the performance is there.

This is what I'm talking about.

I assume there would still be games with "features and settings" you "cannot play" even if you had a 48gb buffer. In fact, I suspect a massive buffer would not improve the majority of of games you need reduced settings in.