10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[LtMatt]

Guess we're at 5 owners now then.

 

[Joxeon]

Guess we're at 5 owners now then.

Not many then considering nvidia likely sold more 3080's than AMD sold in its whole range of RDNA2.

 

[LtMatt]

Not many then considering nvidia likely sold more 3080's than AMD sold in its whole range of RDNA2.

It's more than one though, right?

 

[gpuerrilla]

It's more than one though, right?

And one game?

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think what @humbug is trying to get at is that turning down settings isn't a problem, but vram shouldn't be the limiting factor on performance on a graphics card of $700. At that price, whilst architecture will determine the performance of the card, vram should be fairly easy and cheap to increase. It is more that at that cost, vram shouldn't be the limiting factor.

I agree with that, but I'd also point out that in 99% of cases, it's not a limiting factor so don't see it as an issue. It may be in a couple of years however, so longevity may see issues, but in my opinion I don't think it'll be any more of an issue than my 1070 - it had 8gb, and I didn't upgrade due to a vram limitation.

Whilst obviously moar is better, I think 10gb is probably about right. The 12gb variant was released with a tweak and a 300 quid uplift. No chance was that ram 300 quid to add, so as a value proposition not worth it to me (if the original 3080 was available at msrp, which is another point entirely).

We should also bear in mind lots maybe thousands of users didn't get this component for $700 or £649. They were selling for over a thousand pounds for a long period of time. This makes the first sentence the more important. I would also imagine this is why it could agitate or get people triggered over a discussion.

I would say your 99% figure is skirting into dangerous territory of blanket statements there Bill, but I know in this instance what you mean. We seem to all avoid using the flow bullets which cover all bases (and offers nothing new when one user posts "I have a 3080 and its fine"). Which leads nicely onto this:

It would not be an issue at 1440p. So for 1080p and 1440p the answer to the question is yes, 10GB is enough. At 4K the answer is sometimes no.

I have a 3080FE and have generally been OK at 4K but there has been some VRAM issues in a couple of games the required lower settings. I can live with it to be fair.

This is my experience and it cannot be declared invalid no matter how many time Nexus tries to claim I am wrong.

I will post the flow as so far nobody has any factual deviation from it and it covers where we all agree no matter what camp you think people are in:

Spoiler: Accurate discussion flow

Once we've reached this stage, one of two things can occur, acceptance or denial.
Acceptance

• 3080 owners confirm the following issues using the actual example provided:
• FPS collapses down to single digits/Low FPS.
• Bad frame times/stuttering.
• Resolved by disabling the HD Texture Pack.
• Resolved by using FSR.

Denial

• 3080 owner enters the thread and proclaims one or more of the following:
• Local system issue/game runs fine for me (in my two minute video recording).
• Tech press examples not valid, as HUB did not see any issue when using lower than maximum settings in their 30 second benchmark run.
• Provided example does not count as game is buggy/poor and or provided example does not count because a different game only uses 8GB or less of memory at 4K max settings.
• I don't play the provided example, at the resolution and settings required/I only game below 4K/use image reconstruction/lower image quality settings, based on that I have always run out of grunt before memory.
• Must be a game issue/developers will fix it eventually.
• The cycle will start over when one or both of the following happens again.
• A new owner/user enters the discussion to ask for an example where 10GB is not enough.
• There is a new game released that may require more than 10GB of video memory at 4K maximum settings.

 

[gpuerrilla]

It would not be an issue at 1440p. So for 1080p and 1440p the answer to the question is yes, 10GB is enough. At 4K the answer is sometimes no.

In the 200+ pages I have mentioned this many times. It is likely the newer posters do not read any of the 200 pages but their post insights the usual suspects to bring out the bus and round up the three or four faces till they drown out the thread again patting each other on the back!

 

[Joxeon]

Interestingly in almost a year now since FC6 released how many other new games have needed more than a 10gb buffer?

We should also bear in mind lots maybe thousands of users didn't get this component for $700 or £649. They were selling for over a thousand pounds for a long period of time. This makes the first sentence the more important. I would also imagine this is why it could agitate or get people triggered over a discussion.
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If people were daft enough to pay over £1000 for a £650 msrp card then that's down to them and the only ones they should be mad at are themselves as the card was available for £650 ever few weeks in the UK unlike the AMD cards which were AIB only. You also seem to forget that at the same time OCUK were selling 3090's to people for £3600 but I guess that's OK as people don't mind paying more for the "best" right?

 

[Bill Turnip]

I would say your 99% figure is skirting into dangerous territory of blanket statements there Bill, but I know in this instance what you mean.

Yeah, that was a generalisation for the current situation, just trying to get the main point across. I haven't done a specific study!

 

[LtMatt]

I've been working on updating the circle chart, currently on V3.0 @gpuerrilla, as I think it's clear we have three scenarios now not just two and we have some new entries and new members to the discussion.

Scenario
3080 owner/forum user asks for an example where 10gb is not enough:

• Example provided. (Far Cry 6 4K/Max Settings with HD Texture pack).
• 3080 owners debate provided example.
• Provided example validated by tech press, game developer and actual 3080 owners in the discussion and externally.

Once we've reached this stage, one of three things can occur; acceptance, deflection or denial.

• Acceptance
  • I accept there is a scenario where the 3080 will choke and run out of VRAM before grunt due to:
    • Owners confirm FPS collapses down to single digits/Low FPS.
    • Owners confirm bad frame times/stuttering.
    • Owners confirm the issue is resolved by disabling the HD Texture Pack.
    • Owners confirm the issue is resolved by using FSR.
    • Owners confirm the issue is resolved using 1440P or lower resolutions.
    • Owners confirm the issue is resolved by switching to a GPU with 12GB or higher of video memory.
• Deflection
  • Owners ignore the asked for and provided example and deflect to something that is not relevant to the ask:
    • I don't play the provided example at the resolution and settings required, so I've not got any issue.
    • I've never experienced an issue at 1080P/1440P, if anything I've possibly got too much VRAM and could make do with 8GB.
    • I use image reconstruction so I'm actually running at 720P/1080P and never seen an issue at this level of fidelity.
    • I just lower image quality settings in things unrelated to the asked for example, based on that I have always run out of grunt before memory.
    • But most users have no issue and Nvidia sold more 3080s than RDAN2.
    • But every other game out there is perfectly fine at 4K maximum settings.
• Denial
  • I don't believe the Tech Press, 3080 owners or the game developers and here's why:
    • It's a local system issue as the game runs fine for me at 4K maximum settings. However, I only want to show you a two minute video recording. What's that? No, i won't record a long gameplay video from the start of the game for an hour as I know the FPS/frame times will tank before I can safely end the recording.
    • Provided example does not count as game is buggy/poor IMO.
    • Tech press examples not valid for [insert reasons]. Different tech site did not see any issue in their 30 second benchmark run.
    • This does not matter because a different game unrelated to the asked for example can run at 4K max settings and use less than 8GB.
    • I found a user with a 3090/6900 XT who has stuttering, in my expert opinion (as a specialist in this field) it's a game issue and the developers will fix it one day.

The cycle will start over when one or more of the following happens again:

• A new owner/user enters the discussion to ask for an example where 10GB is not enough. (we all dread this day because the charade starts over again ).
• There is a new game released that may require more than 10GB of video memory at 4K maximum settings.
• A owner posts that he has also experienced symptoms related to VRAM saturation with his 3080.
• Thread settles down, but a user from the acceptance/deflection/denial category posts an inflammatory comment to awaken the thread.

@Perfect_Chaos, please could you append the circle chart to the OP for visibility?

 

[SaBBz]

Is this thread just guys who either work for AMD or have a 3090 (and therefore try to justify that the 3080 may have a flaw) arguing with guys who have a 3080 (who won’t admit the 3080 may have a flaw)?

 

[Joxeon]

• Example provided. (Far Cry 6 4K/Max Settings with HD Texture pack).

This is the only real example and the texture pack is optional so not even the base game.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah, that was a generalisation for the current situation, just trying to get the main point across. I haven't done a specific study!

It applies to the "I game at 1440p but I do not push any boundaries to see further". As we mentioned the flow chart its covered.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Interestingly in almost a year now since FC6 released how many other new games have needed more than a 10gb buffer?

If people were daft enough to pay over £1000 for a £650 msrp card then that's down to them and the only ones they should be mad at are themselves as the card was available for £650 ever few weeks in the UK unlike the AMD cards which were AIB only. You also seem to forget that at the same time OCUK were selling 3090's to people for £3600 but I guess that's OK as people don't mind paying more for the "best" right?

I completely agree with you. The fact of the matter is though, these likely wont pipe up on threads like this do you not think?

"Hi I am xxx, I paid £1149 for my card last year and having a fantastic experience"

 

[Nexus18]

@Perfect_Chaos

Also please don't forget to mention how the inner knitting circle (which consists of one amd employee and the other a 3090 owner who admitted he wanted the 3080 originally as it was te better value gpu) seem to be having a hard time to post all these games with evidence

What happened to the halo discussion btw chaps? Have a hard time debunking all the facts?

1440p 144Hz

I think at that Res it's fine. I'm on 4k so it wouldn't be enough

According to the expert within the inner knitting circle, it's not though, as per one of his posts, apparently only good for 1080p

It would not be an issue at 1440p. So for 1080p and 1440p the answer to the question is yes, 10GB is enough. At 4K the answer is sometimes no.

I have a 3080FE and have generally been OK at 4K but there has been some VRAM issues in a couple of games the required lower settings. I can live with it to be fair.

This is my experience and it cannot be declared invalid no matter how many time Nexus tries to claim I am wrong.

I recall of you mentioning your samples in this thread earlier on, I think we all agreed that your needs and usage was extremely niche i.e. the headset resolution and the game which was only an issue in a couple scenarios? Which is fair enough but then attested to by yourself, apparently a 3090 also has to lower settings?):

I can't fathom the utter nonsense coming from people saying 10GB is enough even when there is ample evidence form multiple games that show it isn't.

My own experience with my 3080 is that most times it is enough but on some occasions it utterly tanks. DCS Normandy map with quick mission against lots of enemies utterly tanks a 3080 on my Pimax 8KX. Oh but that's only one map in one sim game and with a Pimax 8KX VR HMD, so that's an outlier and doesn't count. My 6800 non XT (now sold) played that DCS Normandy mission on my Pimax 8KX far better than the 3080. So it absolutely wasn't a lack of GPU grunt but the VRAM limit.

You can't win with these people who keep moving the goalposts to mean "10GB is enough in the games I care about and we can dismiss the rest".

So what is it guys? Is 10GB enough as long as we stop finding instances where it isn't?

Time will tell but my own experience in limited scenarios is the GPU grunt is there but the VRAM isn't. And for reference my Pimax 8KX is being run in normal or small mode and nowhere near the 4K x2 resolution. I also have to undersample to 60% SS to keep performance respectable in some games. So even a 3090 will need to run at lower settings on a Pimax 8KX.

So when I run freeflight or a small DCS Normandy mission then performance is perfectly fine at 60 FPS+ with 9.8GB VRAM used. If it is a larger mission then VRAM usage goes over 10GB and performance tanks.

if we have a simple yes or no answer then the answer is NO because you have absolutely no idea what games/sims or uses other people have. So if someone were to ask me is a 3080 good enough for hi res VR in DCS, my answer would be NO.

As LTMatt has said, is 10GB enough? For most scenarios yes, for all things no.

Also, originally you agreed that grunt was also becoming the issue first?

The 10GB VRAM on the 3080 is only going to be an issue in extreme cases. I have a 3080 and at 4K I have to compromise with settings on some modern games at 4K to get over 40FPS lows. So the 3080 will be out of GPU grunt long before the 10GB becomes a problem.

Now the 3070 on the other hand, a decent 1440p card but 4K is a push considering the limited VRAM buffer.

Have recent games changed this for you? If so, be interested to know what titles?

We should also bear in mind lots maybe thousands of users didn't get this component for $700 or £649. They were selling for over a thousand pounds for a long period of time. This makes the first sentence the more important. I would also imagine this is why it could agitate or get people triggered over a discussion.

I would say your 99% figure is skirting into dangerous territory of blanket statements there Bill, but I know in this instance what you mean. We seem to all avoid using the flow bullets which cover all bases (and offers nothing new when one user posts "I have a 3080 and its fine"). Which leads nicely onto this:



I will post the flow as so far nobody has any factual deviation from it and it covers where we all agree no matter what camp you think people are in:

Spoiler: Accurate discussion flow

Once we've reached this stage, one of two things can occur, acceptance or denial.
Acceptance

• 3080 owners confirm the following issues using the actual example provided:
• FPS collapses down to single digits/Low FPS.
• Bad frame times/stuttering.
• Resolved by disabling the HD Texture Pack.
• Resolved by using FSR.

Denial

• 3080 owner enters the thread and proclaims one or more of the following:
• Local system issue/game runs fine for me (in my two minute video recording).
• Tech press examples not valid, as HUB did not see any issue when using lower than maximum settings in their 30 second benchmark run.
• Provided example does not count as game is buggy/poor and or provided example does not count because a different game only uses 8GB or less of memory at 4K max settings.
• I don't play the provided example, at the resolution and settings required/I only game below 4K/use image reconstruction/lower image quality settings, based on that I have always run out of grunt before memory.
• Must be a game issue/developers will fix it eventually.
• The cycle will start over when one or both of the following happens again.
• A new owner/user enters the discussion to ask for an example where 10GB is not enough.
• There is a new game released that may require more than 10GB of video memory at 4K maximum settings.

Careful @Bill Turnip you might lose the support of gullible and no longer have your slogan "Bill is sensible, be like bill" @TNA

Interestingly in almost a year now since FC6 released how many other new games have needed more than a 10gb buffer?

If people were daft enough to pay over £1000 for a £650 msrp card then that's down to them and the only ones they should be mad at are themselves as the card was available for £650 ever few weeks in the UK unlike the AMD cards which were AIB only. You also seem to forget that at the same time OCUK were selling 3090's to people for £3600 but I guess that's OK as people don't mind paying more for the "best" right?

That's what we're/I'm still waiting on, a few pages back, apparently it was halo but seems that once again, inner knitting circle can't seem to post anything with evidence to go against the whole lot of reviewers?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Is this thread just guys who either work for AMD or have a 3090 (and therefore try to justify that the 3080 may have a flaw) arguing with guys who have a 3080 (who won’t admit the 3080 may have a flaw)?

It comes across like that doesn't it. Its a technical discussion on an enthusiast board at the end of the day. Although you have a tiny subsection that own a 3080 and see its foibles.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Interestingly in almost a year now since FC6 released how many other new games have needed more than a 10gb buffer?

Hmm I thought it was including:

Doom Eternal, Godfall (lol), Resident Evil 2?

 

[Nexus18]

It comes across like that doesn't it. Its a technical discussion on an enthusiast board at the end of the day. Although you have a tiny subsection that own a 3080 and see its foibles.

Main person has been Tommy so far who has posted about all these issues on his 3080 and multiple games which is fine if he can post showing the issues as he has done with his fc 6 experience but until then, hard to take a post serious listing other games when there is no evidence especially when it goes against several reviewers.

Meanwhile if we go back and count up the "likes" of the so called "minority" we're all in agreement with the points we are making chap, seems your counting isn't so good now

Hmm I thought it was including:

Doom Eternal, Godfall (lol), Resident Evil 2?

"Hmm I thought" do I sense uncertainty from the 3080/10gb expert?

All have been debunked as per the footage and several reviews linked, which also reminds me. Come on Matt show us some of your 6900xt performance in the ray tracing scenarios of doom eternal:

Spoiler

BTW, going to keep posting this until someone can answer what happened here as genuinely curious why amd have issues with RT rendering on launch?

- amd not rendering RT properly, looks like reduced resolution as per matts very own footage (funny how no one is commenting on this )

Spoiler

latest run with the 6900xt:

 

[LtMatt]

This is the only real example and he texture pack is optional so not even the base game.

I was saying the same when there was outrage at an optional texture pack to improve the graphics quality of the game.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The thread has interesting reading, checked out the first 40 pages. Seems like this was covered already. Courtesy of @NZXT30

But @LtMatt .. it was only FC6.

 

[Nexus18]

The thread has interesting reading, checked out the first 40 pages. Seems like this was covered already. Courtesy of @NZXT30

But @LtMatt .. it was only FC6.

Accuses you @Bill Turnip of getting close to making "blanket statements" then proceeds to post that where as per usual, zero evidence etc. to back up such "blanket statements"



Pure gold this Can I get an axe grinding gif please @TNA

Also, resorting to re-reading the thread to quote some new posters, damn someone is desperate to get more support aren't they Maybe reach out in a PM to ask if they would like to join the inner knitting circle, what perks will you and matt be offering?