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FC6-slideshow, Godfall runs great until you enter some fight scenes(dependant on enemy count), RE2 fps collapse/ctd.
Never tried Doom but heard you don't need that level of IQ.
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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..
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Never tried Doom but heard you don't need that level of IQ.
FC6-slideshow, Godfall runs great until you enter some fight scenes(dependant on enemy count), RE2 fps collapse/ctd.
Never tried Doom but heard you don't need that level of IQ.
Come on tommy, you're were a pretty respectable poster until recently i.e. posting something to back up your posts, what happened?
Why can't you upload footage to show those "vram" issues in them games as you did with FC 6?
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Wondering whether to wait until the thread quietens down then make and post some vids?I've been working on updating the circle chart, currently on V3.0 @gpuerrilla, as I think it's clear we have three scenarios now not just two and we have some new entries and new members to the discussion.
Scenario
3080 owner/forum user asks for an example where 10gb is not enough:
Once we've reached this stage, one of three things can occur; acceptance, deflection or denial.
- Example provided. (Far Cry 6 4K/Max Settings with HD Texture pack).
- 3080 owners debate provided example.
- Provided example validated by tech press, game developer and actual 3080 owners in the discussion and externally.
The cycle will start over when one or more of the following happens again:
- Acceptance
- I accept there is a scenario where the 3080 will choke and run out of VRAM before grunt due to:
- Owners confirm FPS collapses down to single digits/Low FPS.
- Owners confirm bad frame times/stuttering.
- Owners confirm the issue is resolved by disabling the HD Texture Pack.
- Owners confirm the issue is resolved by using FSR.
- Owners confirm the issue is resolved using 1440P or lower resolutions.
- Owners confirm the issue is resolved by switching to a GPU with 12GB or higher of video memory.
- Deflection
- Owners ignore the asked for and provided example and deflect to something that is not relevant to the ask:
- I don't play the provided example at the resolution and settings required, so I've not got any issue.
- I've never experienced an issue at 1080P/1440P, if anything I've possibly got too much VRAM and could make do with 8GB.
- I use image reconstruction so I'm actually running at 720P/1080P and never seen an issue at this level of fidelity.
- I just lower image quality settings in things unrelated to the asked for example, based on that I have always run out of grunt before memory.
- But most users have no issue and Nvidia sold more 3080s than RDAN2.
- But every other game out there is perfectly fine at 4K maximum settings.
- Denial
- I don't believe the Tech Press, 3080 owners or the game developers and here's why:
- It's a local system issue as the game runs fine for me at 4K maximum settings. However, I only want to show you a two minute video recording. What's that? No, i won't record a long gameplay video from the start of the game for an hour as I know the FPS/frame times will tank before I can safely end the recording.
- Provided example does not count as game is buggy/poor IMO.
- Tech press examples not valid for [insert reasons]. Different tech site did not see any issue in their 30 second benchmark run.
- This does not matter because a different game unrelated to the asked for example can run at 4K max settings and use less than 8GB.
- I found a user with a 3090/6900 XT who has stuttering, in my expert opinion (as a specialist in this field) it's a game issue and the developers will fix it one day.
@Perfect_Chaos, please could you append the circle chart to the OP for visibility?
- A new owner/user enters the discussion to ask for an example where 10GB is not enough. (we all dread this day because the charade starts over again
- There is a new game released that may require more than 10GB of video memory at 4K maximum settings.
- A owner posts that he has also experienced symptoms related to VRAM saturation with his 3080.
- Thread settles down, but a user from the acceptance/deflection/denial category posts an inflammatory comment to awaken the thread.
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Wondering whether to wait until the thread quietens down then make and post some vids?
It would make a change from the one owner and couple of games spin for sure.
@Chuk_Chuk apologies for missing most of the early debate I must have joined after page 50 or something! Can see you hit the nail back then (5 sep 2020):
Wondering whether to wait until the thread quietens down then make and post some vids?
Be good to see it now as I've done footage of doom eternal and RE 2 remake and would actually make for a good discussion rather than what we have had so far in this thread.
PS. I got RE 2 too and it seemed to play fine on my end, in fact, I forgot to upload my footage for whoever it was that had the 3070 mentioning fps crashing at a specific spot, here you go, iirc, there is one moment of fps drop/frame spike either in the 1440p or 4k but not in both:
"arse falling out of my 3080@1440P, never mind 4k" my ass.... Oh sorry, maybe I need to play for 5, 6, 7, 8 (?) hours straight though....
Now what I do remember in DF testing was amd once again suffering with even the smallest bit of RT and using "optimised" settings but nope, "zOMG VRAM"
And doom eternal, scroll up to see discussion on that and how a 6800xt has stuttering but according to matt, it's a "local system issue" because his system doesn't have it, same way pcgamershardware and computerbase results for FC 6 and the 6800xt aren't accurate because he gets higher, however, their results for the 3080 are gospel
I don't have godfall but might get it just to try it out, although I do remember RDNA 2 cards ******** the bed because of RT (maybe a local system issue again though @LtMatt?) and a 3090 not doing too well either (see bang4bucks footage):
Defo this @TNA
Also, resorting to re-reading the thread to quote some new posters, damn someone is desperate to get more support aren't they
Never seen someone more desperate than this now.
But but but....Apparently it is an issue now in multiple games according to you? Also didn't nvidia technically refresh the line with the 3080 12gb model? Yet we still don't have any new titles that are pushing 12GB vram? Oh wait, I forgot they canned the 3080 12gb model, must be saving it for the 40xx
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Interesting post, what's your thoughts on the current gen consoles having to sacrifice various graphical settings (obviously RT is pretty much a complete no go [usually will mean 30 fps lock if you want to use them] but also the normal settings having to be reduced as per DF in depth analysis game reviews) as well as running at resolutions lower than native 4k just to hold a locked 60 (PS 5 is usually around 1400p and xbx is about 1600/1800p). So far a 3080 10gb doesn't have to make these compromises quite to the same extent.
Just had a look to see who bumped this thread and got it going again.
I'm running out of popcorn at this rate
Possibly my new favourite so far is, gullible accusing Bill of crossing the line of making "blanket statements" then gullible proceeds to do exactly that (and that is all he has done in this thread tbh), almost up there with matt accusing me of trying to mislead people by pointing out a potential RT issue with RDNA 2 upon launch of games with RT then proceeds to upload misleading footage of RT PS. added a little extra something to my sig
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Not really, I made a bit of a blanket statement, he called me up on it, I agreed and conceded the point. I thought that was how a debate worked? I haven't got a hill to die on here.Careful @Bill Turnip you might lose the support of gullible and no longer have your slogan "Bill is sensible, be like bill" @TNA
As it is, I'm really quite confused about this whole thing now. I think that everyone agrees that 10gb is currently enough EXCEPT in extreme circumstances. Even you conceded it wasn't enough for the far cry 6 benchmark (like I said, extreme circumstances). As far as I thought, this was the original question posed in the thread.
It'll be interesting to see when there is a game that 10gb is insufficient for, but with upscaling improving at the rate it is, it will only make the 10gb last longer. I certainly wouldn't pay more for the same card with more vram. Should nvidia have put more vram on a 3080 at £650? Different argument entirely.
I don't think anyone is saying 10gb isn't enough generally, but the arguments seem to be about the extreme cases. Cyberpunk at 4k with mods (which was essentially testing to breaking point, as far as I'm aware) , Far Cry 6 (the only one I've personally experienced), flight simulator (possibly a cpu limitation though) and halo infinite (I know nothing about this one, just brought up recently but already discussed as far as I'm aware).
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Its not really hard to understand is it Bill? This is why I say.. be like Bill. Why the attachment to the card to defend is so spicy? I mean we know the hill defence well the handful with brand new monitors already will be itching to replace it with a shiny new 40 series card in a few weeks right?
I said that would be the case in 2020 when I got a 3080, but they were not having it. Hence why we keep going round and round
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Don't you find it hypocritical that coming from him though given all his posts of making "blanket statements"? That's the point I'm getting at.
Case in point and this is just one example of MANY as we have had more than a several owners pointing out now too.....
The thread has interesting reading, checked out the first 40 pages. Seems like this was covered already. Courtesy of @NZXT30
But @LtMatt .. it was only FC6.
The quote that he agrees with:
Yet here we are in 2022 and we're still waiting....
PS. flight sim has been debunked:
The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.
NVIDIA DLSS: 200 Games & Apps Now Available! Even More To Come, Including The Lord of the Rings: Gollum & Steelrising Not bad for a closed source solution :p
forums.overclockers.co.uk
And no one has posted anything to show otherwise.
Careful there again chap, I suspect you will get pulled up on this
As attested to by many 3080 owners now, we have all stated how we are encountering many areas where lack of grunt is affecting us as of right now and has been for the past few months, even when using dlss/fsr but still have a select individual "insisting" that we are suffering more from the lack of vram at 1440P and 4k in "multiple" games and that we will be upgrading to a 40xx card in order to avoid this massive vram issue we are facing... Sound about right @TNA?
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Soz, will re word.Careful there again chap, I suspect you will get pulled up on this
I (being Bill Turnip) have not yet (as in up to 7th August 2022) seen (personally experienced) anything (vis a vis graphical performance) to change (from initial position that 10gb is enough vram on a 3080 for me based on my requirements and wants) my mind (my opinion).
Examples exist (to my belief) that hit a vram limit (if I'm fool enough not to alter any settings) but they do not matter (as in effect my enjoyment or use of my 3080) to me (aforementioned Bill Turnip).
Other cards exist (both Intel and hardware vendor #3
) with similar performance (not including Intel) and greater VRAM (video Random Access Memory - I presume) which I also like (believe would suit my circumstances) and would have bought (exchanged money for) if it was available for purchase on launch (which it wasn't).
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Sorry Matthew, I didn't get chance to review your update yet. My only feedback so far is the typo on the 5th bullet to be RDNA - I thought you worked for AMD!!! (gurning rage emoji).
Yes its an improvement to the original model. As 90% posts fall into the whole model we can discuss fresh updates then! Thanks for your input to date.
I was thinking of doing some testing/footage at a res. higher than 4k (using DLDSR) to try and show proper vram issues in likes of doom eternal, RE 2 remake etc. but then remembered that the grunt wouldn't be there either which would mean I'll need to reduce settings but as a result that would also mean reducing vram usage
I've got this one @TNAYes its an improvement to the original model. As 90% posts fall into the whole model we can discuss fresh updates then! Thanks for your input to date.
You know what the funny thing is with this thread ?
Only people defending 10GB is enough are owners that have stated they are upgrading to 4000 series once out, so basically they are defending their current hardware to make sure they don't distract future buyers with the 10GB VRAM issues and not loose a lot in selling on and updating to 4000 series and I bet you they won't be buying cards with 10GB . Seriously this thread has become silly and the arguments are just comical now.
Reality Nvidia deliberately made sure people would upgrade earlier with this 10GB card and why they released a 12GB because they got caught with their pants down and customers in the know knew the 10GB was good value but a none future proof GPU due the the VRAM. Now no one said anything about knocking a few settings down to make up for the issue and in most cases the visuals are not even affected but in the future the settings will be lower and lower to the point it will make a difference sooner than it should.
Now all defending Nvidia for doing what they did are not real technology enthusiasts or are and have realised they made a bad purchase and have to defend it now and then quickly sell it on and hope they don't make a huge loss on it and this is why they are so vocal about defending it these are the same people that will not price their used cards to the sensible rate and try get more than what most would sell them on for because theirs is "special and looked after , etc etc reasons..."
Honestly Nvidia pulled a fast one because AMD had a good hand this time and Nvidia is a terrible bluffer in that game of poker with the 3000 series and the 6000 series AMD cards, but AMD also pulled a fast one too with no msrp UK stock at all and again when they did in other countries there was very few and the rest got sold on at silly rates as we know and still are in some countries and retailers even in UK.
As I said 10GB was an insult to a 80 class card in 2020 and it should have had from the start 3080 12GB, 3080ti 16GB, 3090 24GB and options for 48GB.
They stagnated the VRAM on GPUs did Nvidia and have been doing it quietly for a while and that's why Titans became so popular to real enthusiasts and people wanting to do more than game on their GPU, 3080 is useless for any real work application and the 3090 was deliberately reviewed with such tests even by sites that only review games because they were told to do that as part of the review and to make the 3090 look better for people that game, work and do hobby applications that use VRAM.
Anyways leave you guys to go round in circles with the usual people defending a poor Graphics card (3080 10GB) with an amazing GPU but lacking VRAM.. But they will keep saying it will run out of grunt before VRAM as an excuse.. so enjoy the merry-go-round with excuse after excuse and reality remember is they are trying to make sure they get more money once they sell their 3080's on to buy a card with more VRAM.. bet you once they get the new card with more VRAM 10GB won't be enough once they show all the amazing things their new card can do...
Meeeh thread is pointless now really.
Only people defending 10GB is enough are owners that have stated they are upgrading to 4000 series once out, so basically they are defending their current hardware to make sure they don't distract future buyers with the 10GB VRAM issues and not loose a lot in selling on and updating to 4000 series and I bet you they won't be buying cards with 10GB
. Seriously this thread has become silly and the arguments are just comical now.Reality Nvidia deliberately made sure people would upgrade earlier with this 10GB card and why they released a 12GB because they got caught with their pants down and customers in the know knew the 10GB was good value but a none future proof GPU due the the VRAM. Now no one said anything about knocking a few settings down to make up for the issue and in most cases the visuals are not even affected but in the future the settings will be lower and lower to the point it will make a difference sooner than it should.
Now all defending Nvidia for doing what they did are not real technology enthusiasts or are and have realised they made a bad purchase and have to defend it now and then quickly sell it on and hope they don't make a huge loss on it and this is why they are so vocal about defending it these are the same people that will not price their used cards to the sensible rate and try get more than what most would sell them on for because theirs is "special and looked after , etc etc reasons..."
Honestly Nvidia pulled a fast one because AMD had a good hand this time and Nvidia is a terrible bluffer in that game of poker with the 3000 series and the 6000 series AMD cards, but AMD also pulled a fast one too with no msrp UK stock at all and again when they did in other countries there was very few and the rest got sold on at silly rates as we know and still are in some countries and retailers even in UK.
As I said 10GB was an insult to a 80 class card in 2020 and it should have had from the start 3080 12GB, 3080ti 16GB, 3090 24GB and options for 48GB.
They stagnated the VRAM on GPUs did Nvidia and have been doing it quietly for a while and that's why Titans became so popular to real enthusiasts and people wanting to do more than game on their GPU, 3080 is useless for any real work application and the 3090 was deliberately reviewed with such tests even by sites that only review games because they were told to do that as part of the review and to make the 3090 look better for people that game, work and do hobby applications that use VRAM.
Anyways leave you guys to go round in circles with the usual people defending a poor Graphics card (3080 10GB) with an amazing GPU but lacking VRAM.. But they will keep saying it will run out of grunt before VRAM as an excuse.. so enjoy the merry-go-round with excuse after excuse and reality remember is they are trying to make sure they get more money once they sell their 3080's on to buy a card with more VRAM.. bet you once they get the new card with more VRAM 10GB won't be enough once they show all the amazing things their new card can do...
Meeeh thread is pointless now really.
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