10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[gpuerrilla]

 

[Bill Turnip]

Again, looking through other threads to find posts to push a narrative which aren't the point of the thread. Thought that wasn't allowed?

I don't see any reason why we need any more than 4kb of RAM. Got us to the bleedin' moon.

 

[Nexus18]

Wow, gullible you really are stooping to extreme levels of selective quoting now, even for your standards.... I would advise people to watch the video and listen to exactly what they are talking about:

TLDW: That quote is referring to the 3070

Either that desperate now and purposely misleading or/and a hard time of hearing/reading.

Again, looking through other threads to find posts to push a narrative which aren't the point of the thread. Thought that wasn't allowed?

I don't see any reason why we need any more than 4kb of RAM. Got us to the bleedin' moon.

No, it's hilarious to see how it's swing and roundabouts depending on your brand loyalty That's what I'm pointing out.

Same could be said for plenty of other examples i.e. power consumption/heat of the 290s compared to nvidia, tessellation etc.

Know for a fact that if amd came out with less vram on their next cards but was marketed as being much faster so no need for having a higher capacity, a certain someone would be changing their tune again It has happened many times before.

 

[Bill Turnip]

Same could be said for plenty of other examples i.e. power consumption/heat of the 290s compared to nvidia, tessellation etc

Oh, I don't doubt that, but they would be contemporary arguments, comparing like with like. 4k demands in 2015 would have been far lower than 2022.

To be clear I'm not saying matt was right then - I have absolutely no idea. But it's not a relevant quote to use in this argument in my view.

Also, I've downloaded Far Cry 6 on the epic games launcher to try the benchmarks and gameplay at 4k, see if I still have the same issues. I don't seem able to download the HD pack though, the store is locked on the free trial, and I can't seem to find it? Probably being blind.

 

[LtMatt]

Oh, I don't doubt that, but they would be contemporary arguments, comparing like with like. 4k demands in 2015 would have been far lower than 2022.

To be clear I'm not saying matt was right then - I have absolutely no idea. But it's not a relevant quote to use in this argument in my view.

Also, I've downloaded Far Cry 6 on the epic games launcher to try the benchmarks and gameplay at 4k, see if I still have the same issues. I don't seem able to download the HD pack though, the store is locked on the free trial, and I can't seem to find it? Probably being blind.

I was talking about GTA V specifically in that quote which has been brought back from the past btw. Guess that was the only thing that could be found.

Check the video options menu in game to see if there is an option for HD Textures. If there's not, then you know it's not installed.

 

[Bill Turnip]

It's not there in game and the store button in game is also greyed out, but I also can't find a way to download it either as I have it installed via Epic rather than ubisoft.

I was talking about GTA V specifically in that quote which has been brought back from the past btw

I realised it was a bit of an old one!

 

[Nexus18]

Oh, I don't doubt that, but they would be contemporary arguments, comparing like with like. 4k demands in 2015 would have been far lower than 2022.

To be clear I'm not saying matt was right then - I have absolutely no idea. But it's not a relevant quote to use in this argument in my view.

Also, I've downloaded Far Cry 6 on the epic games launcher to try the benchmarks and gameplay at 4k, see if I still have the same issues. I don't seem able to download the HD pack though, the store is locked on the free trial, and I can't seem to find it? Probably being blind.

Except there were plenty of things back then which "used" more vram even back then and you had sites/users calling it out as well, hence why the 980ti absolutely destroyed that gen of gaming.

I'm not using it for anything to compare to a new gpu from now, of course nowadays, the gaming and hardware scene is completely different.... Again, I'm just pointing out how brand loyalty blinds one or rather they will change their tune depending if said brand is better in an area compared to the competition Same way when a rdna 2 gpu shows stutter in scenarios we get the "local system issue" reason (yet that's not allowed to explain other peoples issues with nvidia gpus?), same way pcghw and computerbase 6800xt FPS figures for FC 6 aren't accurate because Matts 6800xt gets much higher fps, however, their 3080 statements are gospel....

Of course this is completely fine, after all, they are paying his bills.

I did install FC 6 again to also get some footage, however, the game won't even launch for me, stuck on the ubisoft connect screen i.e. game/.exe won't even launch, great game Maybe I need more vram now to even launch the game

 

[LtMatt]

It's not there in game and the store button in game is also greyed out, but I also can't find a way to download it either as I have it installed via Epic rather than ubisoft.

I realised it was a bit of an old one!

Isn’t it free this weekend on Uplay? Not sure how to downLoad it via Epic, maybe there is an option some where inside the Epic app for an optional download?

 

[Bill Turnip]

Isn’t it free this weekend on Uplay? Not sure how to downLoad it via Epic, maybe there is an option some where inside the Epic app for an optional download?

Not that I could see. I'll see if I need to download it via uplay instead of epic. That'll be a pain...

EDIT - Got it now. Rookie error, I was looking everywhere on Epic, couldn't see it. Closed it, realised Ubisoft connect was open in a window behind.

Idiot...

 

[LtMatt]

Not that I could see. I'll see if I need to download it via uplay instead of epic. That'll be a pain...

I can’t see That being possible.

But, free to play this weekend.

Far Cry 6 Free Trial

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www.ubisoft.com

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

@Chuk_Chuk

Interesting post, what's your thoughts on the current gen consoles having to sacrifice various graphical settings (obviously RT is pretty much a complete no go [usually will mean 30 fps lock if you want to use them] but also the normal settings having to be reduced as per DF in depth analysis game reviews) as well as running at resolutions lower than native 4k just to hold a locked 60 (PS 5 is usually around 1400p and xbx is about 1600/1800p). So far a 3080 10gb doesn't have to make these compromises quite to the same extent.

The consoles didn't sacrifice anything, the developers did. If you stuck more power in the consoles the developers will just stick more stuff on screen and then turn down the resolution or framerate to make it work. Unless public opinion changes, don't expect the next generation of consoles to hit a stable 60fps and/or 4k resolution.

Also comparing a £650 graphics card to a £500 fully kitted computer with peripherals. I damn well hope it doesn't need to make the same compromise.

 

[Nexus18]

The consoles didn't sacrifice anything, the developers did. If you stuck more power in the consoles the developers will just stick more stuff on screen and then turn down the resolution or framerate to make it work. Unless public opinion changes, don't expect the next generation of consoles to hit a stable 60fps and/or 4k resolution.

Also comparing a £650 graphics card to a £500 fully kitted computer with peripherals. I damn well hope it doesn't need to make the same compromise.

The developers are limited by the hardware they are provided with though? i.e. in order to hit a locked 60 on said consoles they are having to reduce settings, which pc hardware such as the 3080 in question here is not having to sacrifice, as shown by DF, sacrifices are being made in far more areas than just resolution too.

I don't disagree with your last statement. My comments were just in reference to what was quoted i.e. this:

If we were talking about the 3060 or maybe even the 3070 with 10GB of VRAM. I would agree that it is enough (for now). But we are talking about the flagship card for PC gaming (assuming AMD drops the ball).
You're paying a premium so that you can have the same graphical fidelity as a console, admittedly with higher frame rates. (I think we all agree that an increase graphical fidelity, compared to the console, will require more VRAM right? Does anyone disagree?). Like i said on the first page for those that buy a new graphics card every generation this isn't going to be a problem. For anyone planning on skipping a generation, good luck with that.

 

[Joxeon]

Bill. Most people that bought the 3080 intend to keep it for a while. These characters stirring **** and posting fail threads like the one here are obsessed with it and make freudian slips.

Nobody has bashed the card it will be dead on for the majority of users such as yourself. As HU and other tech channels still report, when your spending lots of money on a premium product there is no need to skimp on the hardware, it certainly isnt costing nvidia much money to honour that.

I'm not sure if I'll be upgrading yet as it depends on price performance but if nvidia dangled a 4080 for £650 that was 30% faster than a 3090ti but only had 10gb VRAM and the next up was £1400 then I'd probably bite.

 

[Nexus18]

I'm not sure if I'll be upgrading yet as it depends on price performance but if nvidia dangled a 4080 for £650 that was 30% faster than a 3090ti but only had 10gb VRAM and the next up was £1400 then I'd probably bite.

But would you be able to launch/play FC 6 @ 4k with no FSR and max settings?

 

[Bill Turnip]

But would you be able to launch/play FC 6 @ 4k with no FSR and max settings?

Gasp! You promised we could!

 

[gpuerrilla]

I'm not sure if I'll be upgrading yet as it depends on price performance but if nvidia dangled a 4080 for £650 that was 30% faster than a 3090ti but only had 10gb VRAM and the next up was £1400 then I'd probably bite.

I'm not sure we have learned anything then, things that could eradicate the concerns would be better compression or some other edge feature like RTX IO which assisted in preventing choke. Also if you had a quality 1440p display and were not changing it anytime soon, then again that would be a good choice in your hypothetical scenario. No problem with that.

So to reiterate, unless something comes along to allow less vram to be needed in the next gen of cards, when your shelling out £600+ on premium products the amount that looks like the sweet spot for high resolutions, frames , ray tracing etc. seems to be around 12GB.

 

[Nexus18]

Gasp! You promised we could!

Plays fine on my end bro...

I'm not sure we have learned anything then

Yup it seems the inner knitting circle still haven't learnt anything


Must admit, it is fun selectively quoting certain parts of other peoples posts, can see why some do it now

 

[Joxeon]

I'm not sure we have learned anything then, things that could eradicate the concerns would be better compression or some other edge feature like RTX IO which assisted in preventing choke. Also if you had a quality 1440p display and were not changing it anytime soon, then again that would be a good choice in your hypothetical scenario. No problem with that.

So to reiterate, unless something comes along to allow less vram to be needed in the next gen of cards, when your shelling out £600+ on premium products the amount that looks like the sweet spot for high resolutions, frames , ray tracing etc. seems to be around 12GB.

True but then nvidia had nothing under £1400 with more than 10gb ram at release last time, if it was the same scenario again this time then I'd still go for 10gb as spending over double isn't worth it compaired to just tinkering with a few settings now and again although I would expect 10gb to struggle in more games over the next two years than just the one we had this time around.

 

[Bill Turnip]

Must admit

ray tracing

is just ******* useless

This is fun.

 

[Nexus18]

True but then nvidia had nothing under £1400 with more than 10gb ram at release last time, if it was the same scenario again this time then I'd still go for 10gb as spending over double isn't worth it compaired to just tinkering with a few settings now and again although I would expect 10gb to struggle in more games over the next two years than just the one we had this time around.

Few understand.


But in all seriousness exactly that:

Spoiler

I think late 2023 or more likely 2024 is when we'll probably see a couple titles where there will be genuine 100% vram issues @ 4k and ignoring things like RTX IO/direct storage as well as the usage of dlss/fsr but as we have all said, we'll be turning down settings anyway due to lack of grunt which will also reduce vram usage.

This is fun.

Who's going back searching through posts now then eh?