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12GB vram enough for 4K? Discuss..
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Caporegime
Some folk just can't get let it go, even after all this time.
"I must throw my anger and resentment towards someone else on the internet that has a different opinion to me, argh!"
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Soldato
Must be - at least my posts are around actual facts - slinging rubbish like drinking - old, poor etc complete story telling - even ageist with the hate crime. Thought you'd be so woke being in big corp - maybe equality training not reached you yet.
But here 'tis;
If you want to see an issue and you wanna validate tech results.......................no - I wanna play the game - like 100% of gamers
Anyone else go around feeling the expertise in oneself must entitle them to be the tech press validating person?
If I want to test if 10/12GB is enough - I'll load up a tonne of mods, ones where I'd actually play the game - not validate tech press or then use the game as 10GB inst enough under tech press results - you are trying yourself in knots the more you type. This is what we were trying to say all along.
Lay off the name calling - I don't reply to you or directly use your name, all mine are based around facts. Like xmas day. Calling people old, forgetfiul, sad, drunk etc is just untrue. You know nothing about me. The age thing could go down as hate crime - I'd have thought in your corp you'd have been 'woked' right up around this.
Dunno why you get so mad when someone counters you. If you want to assume like usual I am referring to you then that is up to you. But I dont reply to you directly if I can as I know you'll get bent out of shape.
Just using the facts around the threads. Calling people sad and old is just childish. I'm older - but not old. And sad - well xmas day shenanigans puts that one to bed. If you can't counter with facts and reasoning - instead of saying things like drinking/sat in pants, old, forgetful, on benefits etc - none of which you can verify so is just name calling - just don't reply unless you can counter the debate with at least factuals in some way. Just makes yiou look triggered and your knickers so twisted they are irretrievable.
Now answer the question - why do I have to ask in other threads now? What's the difference? Answer here. Do you use motion blur - simple Y/N answer will do (or some reframing/avoidance tactic.
Now you've just gone 'pot kettle.' Oh TNA beat me to it
But here 'tis;
If you want to see an issue and you wanna validate tech results.......................no - I wanna play the game - like 100% of gamers
Anyone else go around feeling the expertise in oneself must entitle them to be the tech press validating person?
If I want to test if 10/12GB is enough - I'll load up a tonne of mods, ones where I'd actually play the game - not validate tech press or then use the game as 10GB inst enough under tech press results - you are trying yourself in knots the more you type. This is what we were trying to say all along.
Lay off the name calling - I don't reply to you or directly use your name, all mine are based around facts. Like xmas day. Calling people old, forgetfiul, sad, drunk etc is just untrue. You know nothing about me. The age thing could go down as hate crime - I'd have thought in your corp you'd have been 'woked' right up around this.
Dunno why you get so mad when someone counters you. If you want to assume like usual I am referring to you then that is up to you. But I dont reply to you directly if I can as I know you'll get bent out of shape.
Just using the facts around the threads. Calling people sad and old is just childish. I'm older - but not old. And sad - well xmas day shenanigans puts that one to bed. If you can't counter with facts and reasoning - instead of saying things like drinking/sat in pants, old, forgetful, on benefits etc - none of which you can verify so is just name calling - just don't reply unless you can counter the debate with at least factuals in some way. Just makes yiou look triggered and your knickers so twisted they are irretrievable.
Now answer the question - why do I have to ask in other threads now? What's the difference? Answer here. Do you use motion blur - simple Y/N answer will do (or some reframing/avoidance tactic.
Now you've just gone 'pot kettle.' Oh TNA beat me to it
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Most likely a nvidia driver update will fix the flickering issue, similar thing happened with fc 6 on my 3080 10gb and a certain someone was adamant it was because not enough vram, fast forward to nvidia driver update and it was fixed
Same with the textures not loading, probably be fixed with a game patch, same way ubi fixed fc 6 texture rendering/loading.
Most likely yea.Most likely a nvidia driver update will fix the flickering issue, similar thing happened with fc 6 on my 3080 10gb and a certain someone was adamant it was because not enough vram, fast forward to nvidia driver update and it was fixed
even if I lower texture settings one step above lowest the issue is still there.
Caporegime
I've lost count of how many times I've said the same thing to you. If you want to talk to me, throwing insults is not going to encourage that. So yes, when I see you digging at me you can expect some sort of reaction back. Please don't act innocent and pretend you are not referring to me in your posts in this very discussion, it's daft and obvious. At least own it, don't make excuses. All I do is give you a little bit in return based on how you come across to me, as you like to say its only banter right.
Likewise, you know nothing about me, yet you are more than happy to slander me and make false observations at every chance you get. If you notice, I never post anything about you yet you can barely keep from (hinting) my name out of your posts in these threads about who you think I am, who I work for and what I do etc. It works both ways. I'll happily never mention you again truth be told. Actually I don't mind being countered, I just don't like the insults littered in between. If you can cut that out, we don't have a problem and we'd probably get along better. Not saying I'd be joining you on a shooting trip, but we'd probably not be wasting our time firing shots at each other. I can lay off, but can you?
I'll address your question here to hopefully put an end to this. I don't really understand what point you are trying to make, but it doesn't really matter anyway since this is a different thread.
I do not use motion blur, I even said in my post earlier (when I shared the Forspoken video) I usually disable it. For the simplicity of being able to put in my Forspoken video I used the 'Ultra High Preset' i kept Blur/DOH on which are part of the ultra high preset. Turning these off would mean I was using the custom preset which means modified settings. I didn't keep them on to try and make the game use more video memory or anything, just for simplicity and ease of other people (here and on YouTube) copying my settings to compare performance. They do not really hurt performance much either. I will say it again, if I do ever play this game single player (which seems unlikely) I would turn these options off as I do in other games including Far Cry 6 (FC6). My FC6 videos on the 4090, 3090 TI, 3090 and 7900 XTX/6950 XT and 6900/6800 XT all have blur off too. There is no secret agenda here.
Regarding FC6 , you said the techpress results were wrong back in the 10GB/FC6 thread (maybe both or just one of the threads), so we asked 3080 users to copy the exact settings shown by pcgameshardware and computerbase/and test to see if they also experience the single digit FPS drops. They did, and multiple people had issues and single digit FPS drops when using those settings. This was the purpose of the test. We never said that you can't/shouldn't just lower settings to try and improve FPS, that would be an obvious thing to do and not something I am against in other circumstances. I think this is where there is confusion because you seem to think that we said you cannot do this regardless of how you play the game. That was never the case. The only purpose was to test if 10GB was enough at 'true maximum settings' with the HD Texture pack in FC6.
And hopefully that puts it to bed now. (And if you want, we can take this to an offline conversation or have a chat 1-1 over microphone in Discord to settle these differences if you are interested @Woodsta888 ?)
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Yeah Forspoken is super problematic on 10 gig cards at 1440p, and I heard it is also problematic on 12 gig cards at 4K.
Practically, you can't push ray tracing if you want to play with good quality textures; you also need to reduce texture memory setting to lower if you're vram limited. The lower you go, the better textures game loads if you're VRAM limited.
The same artificial VRAM cap limitation the Spiderman had also exists in Forspoken as well (game only utilizes a maximum percentage a of %85-%88 out of available VRAM). This results 12 GB cards only having 10.5-10.8 GB usable memory for the game, and 10 gb cards only having 8.5-8.8 GB usable memory.
Situation on 8 GB cards are even further horrific, with only 6.4-6.8 GB usable memory budget, game practically never loads proper textures at 1440p and above with "standard" preset without ray tracing involved.
At 1080p/dlss quality (720p internal resolution), with standard preset and ray tracing, the 8 GB buffer cannot keep textures in bay.
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As you can see in the video, game artificially capped itself to 6 GB usage for some reason (I have no idea why) with ray tracing enabled. (even lower internally, 5.4 GB). Game practically refuses to use VRAM all the while not being able to stream proper textures.
Some people on other forums believe it is doing this to provide smoother frametimes or some stuff. I have no idea. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers.
Practically, you can't push ray tracing if you want to play with good quality textures; you also need to reduce texture memory setting to lower if you're vram limited. The lower you go, the better textures game loads if you're VRAM limited.
The same artificial VRAM cap limitation the Spiderman had also exists in Forspoken as well (game only utilizes a maximum percentage a of %85-%88 out of available VRAM). This results 12 GB cards only having 10.5-10.8 GB usable memory for the game, and 10 gb cards only having 8.5-8.8 GB usable memory.
Situation on 8 GB cards are even further horrific, with only 6.4-6.8 GB usable memory budget, game practically never loads proper textures at 1440p and above with "standard" preset without ray tracing involved.
At 1080p/dlss quality (720p internal resolution), with standard preset and ray tracing, the 8 GB buffer cannot keep textures in bay.
FORSPOKEN Demo 2023 01 26 17 52 32
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As you can see in the video, game artificially capped itself to 6 GB usage for some reason (I have no idea why) with ray tracing enabled. (even lower internally, 5.4 GB). Game practically refuses to use VRAM all the while not being able to stream proper textures.
Some people on other forums believe it is doing this to provide smoother frametimes or some stuff. I have no idea. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers.
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Soldato
Wait wait what? That argument is a joke.
You can see the 4070ti being faster than a 7900xt in favorable titles, but youll never see a 4070ti being faster than the 4080
Caporegime
Yeah, fair enough. It wasn't really an argument, but the point I was trying to make was that having used both the 7900 XTX and the 4090, I can see how close the XTX is to the 4090 in some things whereas the 4080 is not close to the 4090 in those situations, so the XTX is the faster GPU. I'll admit though, I was surprised to see it beating the 4080 in Dead Space Remake at 4K with RT on.Wait wait what? That argument is a joke.
You can see the 4070ti being faster than a 7900xt in favorable titles, but youll never see a 4070ti being faster than the 4080
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Soldato
Yes, the XTX is close to the 4090 in some situations, but in some other situations it's closer to a 3090, or even below it. That's not a high end GPU I would spent money on. Of course that might be all driver issues, since the raw hardware is there, but I'm not buying hardware but performance. And let's not even talk about the RT performance which is abysmal
Caporegime
I'll politely disagree with you on the RT performance, as we can see from Dead Space Remake its faster than the 4080 with RT on. In other RT heavy games, Dying Light 2 for example, I'm actually quite surprised to find it beating my 3090 TI. Unless we count 3090 TI RT performance as abysmal now also.
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Soldato
The RT performance is "good" on games that don't utilize RT mostly. I haven't checked Dead Space, but I assume it's the case, just like it is on FC6 / SOTR etc.
And yes, the 3090ti / 3090 rt performance is abysmal for a 2022 high end GPU. That's 2 years old performance - literally. Imagine the 4090 having the raster performance of the 6900xt, and me saying "well is 6900xt abysmal in raster?"
Caporegime
As promised, here is part 1 which is the intro part and the most demanding part of the game I've encountered so far. Once you take control of the character, FPS are 60-75 at 4K max settings with RT. Although the game pre-compiles the shaders before you load into the game, it does do some shader compiling at various points as you move around the world. Part 2 to follow...No one has shared this graph, but if you disable blurry DLSS/FSR and run native, the (power limited and throttling) XTX is actually 8%+ faster than the 4080 at 4K native with RT.
With an AIB XTX you can and will see much better numbers than that, I'll put a video up soon don't worry.
That's not what I've found. Dying Light 2 RT was incredibly taxing on my 4090 and 3090 TI and the XTX delivers quite impressive performance there in comparison. Same for F1 2021/22 and the Callisto Protocol.
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Soldato
Didn't you just say it offered same performance as the 3090ti? That's basically 2 years old worth of performance.
Caporegime
Yes in some less favourable titles, in some it's faster. 2nd Gen RT vs 2nd Gen RT its very close overall. The problem is AMD is a gen behind, but if anything 3090 TI level and lower is abysmal RT performance in your opinion then I'm okay with that. Just speaking from personal experiencing owning and using all these GPUs.
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Soldato
You think dying light 2 is one of the less favourable titles? Oh boy, the surprise when you try to run something like control 4k or cyberpunk 4k, you are looking at a 3080.
2nd gen vs 2nd gen is completely irrelevant, im a consumer and I pay for the performance.
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