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Yes, same architecture, same node, clock speed raised by 100-200 MHz, power consumption in that range increases dramatically every 100 MHz.
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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"
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if they implement DLVR then i expect power usage will remain as the same we have now with the 13900k albeit at high clocks ... considering the 13900k will happily consume between 250w to 450w on R23 depending on your settings i doubt we will be seeing anything higher than this and as stock i expect will be 253W same as we have now ... Cooling anything more than 350w requires some serious cooling equipment ie Direct die and chiller for 350W+
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That's true, high end air coolers and AIOs hit a wall at around 330 watts, but the relevant question is, why would you need to cool 350w+? No mainstream CPU scales with that high wattage. The 13900k gets around 8% performance going from 125w to 253w, and from 253 to 350 is barely another 5%. If you are running long hour mt workloads there is no point in going above 200w.
Probaly the usual 2-3 times what it should be.
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Raptor lake refresh looks set to be announced on 19 September
Intel will also show updated cpu and gpu roadmaps
videocardz.com
Intel will also show updated cpu and gpu roadmaps
Intel Innovation 2023 set for September 19, Raptor Lake Refresh launch? - VideoCardz.com
Intel sets a date for the Innovation 2023 event for September 29 The Innovation is not strictly a product showcase event. The company has set a goal to gain interest from developers (hardware and software), architecture, technology managers, researchers, and influencers. It is not a typical...
videocardz.com
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Raptor lake refresh looks set to be announced on 19 September
Intel will also show updated cpu and gpu roadmaps
Intel Innovation 2023 set for September 19, Raptor Lake Refresh launch? - VideoCardz.com
Intel sets a date for the Innovation 2023 event for September 29 The Innovation is not strictly a product showcase event. The company has set a goal to gain interest from developers (hardware and software), architecture, technology managers, researchers, and influencers. It is not a typical...
Very interested to see Raptor Lake refresh - I think it'll probably go down as the worst refresh ever. It just can't compete with Zen4X3D, based on what we know
11th gen v2?
Worse - 11th gen was a new architecture that had an IPC increase. Raptor lake refresh looks to just be higher clocks, at the expense of even higher power consumption. The elephant in the room is the DVRL (Digital Linear Voltage Regulator), which if enabled, may reduce power consumption - though this remains to be seen.
Either way, a very boring refresh, more akin to Haswell > Devil's Canyon, which was pretty pathetic.
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The refresh will make intel have both the fastest cpus in st and mt performance in every segment. It kinda already is but the gap will widen and will remain until zen 6 next year.
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That's correct, they will likely earn the title: epic failure, and that DVRL won't help them much at such a high clock speed.
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Holy mother of god. That's nutsMaybe the refresh will be based of chips like this .... 5.8Ghz P / 4.7 Ghz E@ 1.150v for a KS , the refresh should potentially be better than this
My 12900k needs 1.12v for the stock 4.9ghz
Yeah its certainly a golden sample , imagine if that had dlvr implemented.... same clocks at 1.0vHoly mother of god. That's nuts
My 12900k needs 1.12v for the stock 4.9ghz
For reference my SP100 13900K is doing stock 5.5/4.3 at 1.191v 253w 72deg c in R23 , for 5.8 / 4.6 it needs 1.30v 360w 90 odd degs and it's direct die cooled .. nothing like the chip in the video , if the refresh is better than that will grab one ( voltage I put above are under load in R23)
Maybe the refresh will be based of chips like this .... 5.8Ghz P / 4.7 Ghz E@ 1.150v for a KS , the refresh should potentially be better than this
Still insanely high gaming power draw compared to Zen4X3D, no amount of binning will alleviate that.
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Im also waiting for the refresh, was thinking about grabbing a 13900ks but ill just be patient. Don't care about overclocking that much, im just going to run stock clocks with whatever undervolt is allowed.Yeah its certainly a golden sample , imagine if that had dlvr implemented.... same clocks at 1.0v
For reference my SP100 13900K is doing stock 5.5/4.3 at 1.191v 253w 72deg c in R23 , for 5.8 / 4.6 it needs 1.30v 360w 90 odd degs and it's direct die cooled .. nothing like the chip in the video , if the refresh is better than that will grab one ( voltage I put above are under load in R23)
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And the 3d is insanely slower on anything else but games so...
I wouldn't call it insane, the worst game I've seen is TLOU which has it around 120w to 140w .... , mw2 mp at 280fps has it at around 120w , I think that is fine , yes be nice if it were a bit lower but hopefully that's what the refresh brings to the table
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I would rather have better gaming performance than better forum performance. We'll be playing games, and you can browse forums, and everyone will be happy.
Plus, I doubt there is a noticeable difference between those processors on a forum.
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You have the best of both worlds, and he had the 13900k (let's trust him), but he downgraded to the 12900k because he likes it better, haha. So, he'll have to wait for the 14900k.Buy both like me and profit?