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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Joxeon said:
Intel are a node behind AMD so that’s why the power draw looks so bad right now, GPUs are a much closer contest but Nvidia’s efficiency looks better than it is in reality as they are selling low end cards as higher end models.
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Intel are 2 nodes behind though? 14th Gen is on 10nm. AMD is on 5nm, you normally don't jump from 10 straight to 5, there is 7nm in between. That said, Intel is looking to jump nodes but it's also going down o get extremely messy trying to define a process node in future as future CPUs will have different chiplets on the cpu package made on different nodes - 15th Gen arrow lake is supposed to have one chiplet made on 4nm and one made on 7nm and one on 10nm, how do you explain what process node a 15900k is?
 
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This is why Arrow Lake (Intels real next gen) will be so interesting, it uses TSMC 3nm for the P cores. First time AMD and Intel will compete on the same process node in a very long time.
 
Grim5 said:
Intel are 2 nodes behind though? 14th Gen is on 10nm. AMD is on 5nm, you normally don't jump from 10 straight to 5, there is 7nm in between
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According to Intel thier 10nm node is as good as TSMC's 6nm node, or better than their 7nm node.

5 and 6nm vs 7nm or Intel 10nm doesn't account for a 300% hike in power, the simple fact is Intel have a target, that target is whatever CPU AMD have at the time and they will do anything to match or beat it, that includes a 3 fold power increase and 3 times the size.

Don't forget Zen 3 was on 7nm.
 
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Dave2150 said:
This is why Arrow Lake (Intels real next gen) will be so interesting, it uses TSMC 3nm for the P cores. First time AMD and Intel will compete on the same process node in a very long time.
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Arrow lake uses like 3 different process nodes, one for each chiplet. So you can't just state a single number that's not how it will work
 
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humbug said:
According to Intel thier 10nm node is as good as TSMC's 6nm node, or better than their 7nm node.

5 and 6nm vs 7nm or Intel 10nm doesn't account for a 300% hike in power, the simple fact is Intel have a target, that target is whatever CPU AMD have at the time and they will do anything to match or beat it, that includes a 3 fold power increase and 3 times the size.
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The CPUs are being pushed way above the efficiency curve though, I bet if you locked a 14900k at 5ghz P and 3.5 for Ecores then it’d be quite an efficient chip.
 
Since and including Zen 3 AMD have just been designing a better CPU core, this is nothing new or surprising, AMD have been doing that since the 1990's, they overtook Intel's market share with them in the early 2000's, that's when Intel played dirty.
 
Asus claims they got 11,000mt/s RAM working on a 14900k. But I guess that's with LN2 cooling and it's probably not actually stable
 
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Grim5 said:
Intel are 2 nodes behind though? 14th Gen is on 10nm. AMD is on 5nm, you normally don't jump from 10 straight to 5, there is 7nm in between. That said, Intel is looking to jump nodes but it's also going down o get extremely messy trying to define a process node in future as future CPUs will have different chiplets on the cpu package made on different nodes - 15th Gen arrow lake is supposed to have one chiplet made on 4nm and one made on 7nm and one on 10nm, how do you explain what process node a 15900k is?
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Intel's 10nm is fairly close to TSMC 7nm, transistor density is broadly similar, other aspects go one way or the other. Intel 7nm looks to being about 10-15% ahead of the other 5nm nodes, though behind in some features.
 
My order is saying shipped, ETA 19th which is a shame as I was hoping to do the build Thursday as I've got the whole day clear :s

EDIT: Update from DPD to say it will be delivered today... we'll see.
 
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Well, this brings me ever closer to switch to AMD for the first time in my life...
I was intrigued by Intel's heterogeneous architecture with 12th gen and was hoping it laid the foundation for basically a mini SOC approach, instead it turned out in "let's throw more e-cores at the problem"...
 
Zarax said:
Well, this brings me ever closer to switch to AMD for the first time in my life...
I was intrigued by Intel's heterogeneous architecture with 12th gen and was hoping it laid the foundation for basically a mini SOC approach, instead it turned out in "let's throw more e-cores at the problem"...
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Yes it really depends on your use these days and what you prioritise. I only really game a bit so the X3D chips are good enough and are cooler and quieter (less heat to dissipate). These days my first question is always, "What do you want to do with it?".
 
Zarax said:
Well, this brings me ever closer to switch to AMD for the first time in my life...
I was intrigued by Intel's heterogeneous architecture with 12th gen and was hoping it laid the foundation for basically a mini SOC approach, instead it turned out in "let's throw more e-cores at the problem"...
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Close enough to actually pull the trigger and do it tho..? :)

I have played that basket game for quite a while, without the final click.
 
Honestly even the AMD chips for CAD/Revit type applications are plenty good enough and having used a 13900ks and AMD 7800x3D neither gave a noticeable perforce difference in terms of day to day use but the gaming chops for AMD was noticeable. Unless you on a particular fringe of what you need work wise AMD is generally the better value/balanced system.

Edit: with benefit of drop in performance increase next gen as well if you already on AM5. I'm holding out for home system for a 8800x3D or similar tbh.
 
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Curlyriff said:
Honestly even the AMD chips for CAD/Revit type applications are plenty good enough and having used a 13900ks and AMD 7800x3D neither gave a noticeable perforce difference in terms of day to day use but the gaming chops for AMD was noticeable. Unless you on a particular fringe of what you need work wise AMD is generally the better value/balanced system.

Edit: with benefit of drop in performance increase next gen as well if you already on AM5. I'm holding out for home system for a 8800x3D or similar tbh.
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That's my plan, sit on this 7600 for a while and drop in an 8800X3D once the initial price premium has subsided. That should be good for a long time.
 
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