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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Rroff said:
My order is saying shipped, ETA 19th which is a shame as I was hoping to do the build Thursday as I've got the whole day clear :s

EDIT: Update from DPD to say it will be delivered today... we'll see.
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I got the "your order is on its way" email from OCUK at 22:36 yesterday, but DPD still don't have any update beyond "We've received your order details, but have not yet received your parcel", so I don't have high confidence it'll arrive today either, unless DPD are supposed to be collecting it from somewhere significantly closer than HQ.
 
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Zarax said:
Well, this brings me ever closer to switch to AMD for the first time in my life...
I was intrigued by Intel's heterogeneous architecture with 12th gen and was hoping it laid the foundation for basically a mini SOC approach, instead it turned out in "let's throw more e-cores at the problem"...
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E cores are awesome for productivity. What's not awesome about 12, 13th and 14th gen, is the insane power draw compared to Zen4/Zen4X3D.
 
Troezar said:
That's my plan, sit on this 7600 for a while and drop in an 8800X3D once the initial price premium has subsided. That should be good for a long time.
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Problem with that is no-one knows the performance of Zen5 vs Arrow Lake. Either could be significantly better/faster than the other, meaning any "plan" you have now is a total guess, rather than some master plan.
 
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Dave2150 said:
Problem with that is no-one knows the performance of Zen5 vs Arrow Lake. Either could be significantly better/faster than the other, meaning any "plan" you have now is a total guess, rather than some master plan.
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Indeed it is, the general direction looks favourable though and as I was saying for my uses it won't matter if Intel are a bit faster as I won't have to change platform to get very good gaming performance. Sometimes good enough is good enough ;)
At $3 per share I thought AMD were going places, sadly I had no money to buy them, I trust my guesses more than most so I'll just have to see what the future brings. If Intel brings faster chips at competitive prices that's a win for everyone.
 
Mine just arrived, but I'm still waiting on EVO XL front distro plate to ship before I can build. Question though, is the thermal grizzly CPU contact frame worth getting? I've not done a lot of research in to it but people seem to have good things to say
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Dud series but not really unexpected. Waste of time for those already on 13th gen.

Roll on Arrow Lake.
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Exactly, it was entirely to be expected as it was just a small bump in clock speed apart from the 14700k.

The overclocking headroom on the lower SKU's of 13th Gen could actually be very good so Intel obviously thought they could squeeze in a clock bumped CPU before Arrow Lake.

As I said to a colleague this will just be similar to the i7-2600k to i7-2700k, just 12 years later and a deceptive name change.
 
Curtis vincent said:
Mine just arrived, but I'm still waiting on EVO XL front distro plate to ship before I can build. Question though, is the thermal grizzly CPU contact frame worth getting? I've not done a lot of research in to it but people seem to have good things to say
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Just get the Thermalright one for ~£10 which works just as good.

GamersNexus did a comparison video which showed this to be the case - it's also contains a good and simple install tutorial for the ThermalRight.
 
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Troezar said:
Indeed it is, the general direction looks favourable though and as I was saying for my uses it won't matter if Intel are a bit faster as I won't have to change platform to get very good gaming performance. Sometimes good enough is good enough ;)
At $3 per share I thought AMD were going places, sadly I had no money to buy them, I trust my guesses more than most so I'll just have to see what the future brings. If Intel brings faster chips at competitive prices that's a win for everyone.
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totally agree some people just want the fastest regardless of needing or cost, say zen5 is 5-15% slower but would be much cheaper just dropping in cpu over full platform change I know which I would go for, I learnt over the years I dont need the latest or the fastest
 
Power consumption is also something that needs to be taken seriously when you consider the difference and the increased cost of energy.

I couldn't care less if a CPU is 5% slower in some titles as I won't notice it, what you will notice is having to use a 360mm AIO to cool it, the heat output and the not insignificant amount on your bill.

You can under-volt these Intel chips and see a decent reduction without much loss of performance, but most users won't play around with that.
 
uscool said:
totally agree some people just want the fastest regardless of needing or cost, say zen5 is 5-15% slower but would be much cheaper just dropping in cpu over full platform change I know which I would go for, I learnt over the years I dont need the latest or the fastest
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Indeed, the 14700K looks decent on paper vs the 7800X3D but even if you were buying in new it leaves you with nowhere to go when you want an upgrade. I doubt there are many people that need the extra productivity performance where the difference would make that much difference. If it did, and time was money, it would probably make more sense to go to a proper workstation.

I have the same attitude with GPU's now too, once you get over 100fps another 30 or 40fps is neither here nor there for 99% of us unless it gets you over a threshold like the refresh rate of your monitor.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Power consumption is also something that needs to be taken seriously when you consider the difference and the increased cost of energy.

I couldn't care less if a CPU is 5% slower in some titles as I won't notice it, what you will notice is having to use a 360mm AIO to cool it, the heat output and the not insignificant amount on your bill.

You can under-volt these Intel chips and see a decent reduction without much loss of performance, but most users won't play around with that.
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Out of curiosity how close does that loss of performance bring you to AMD level of performance? Obviously not much point buying the fastest only to undervolt, lose performance and be where you would be if you just bought the more efficient chip. This applies to GPU's too.
 
Troezar said:
Out of curiosity how close does that loss of performance bring you to AMD level of performance? Obviously not much point buying the fastest only to undervolt, lose performance and be where you would be if you just bought the more efficient chip. This applies to GPU's too.
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For gaming, you can undervolt and not lose much, if any, performance over stock. In fact, with my 12700k, I can undervolt and overclock at the same time, so it's all positive.

The default vcore is crazy on some motherboards. When I don't touch mine it's around 1.35v, I can bump the all core +2 and get the vcore down to just above 1.2v and it's been flawless for 2 years.

Probably won't be as much room in these 14th gen chips but we'll soon find out.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
Power consumption is also something that needs to be taken seriously when you consider the difference and the increased cost of energy.

I couldn't care less if a CPU is 5% slower in some titles as I won't notice it, what you will notice is having to use a 360mm AIO to cool it, the heat output and the not insignificant amount on your bill.

You can under-volt these Intel chips and see a decent reduction without much loss of performance, but most users won't play around with that.
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Heat only bad if its wasted ;). I never use the heating in winter in my office because the by product heat from PC is plenty to keep me warm.
 
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