14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Freddie1980 · 19 Oct 2023 at 16:16

shotski said:
Oh good, it's finally on the way... I wonder what delayed it, I ordered 12 minutes after pre-orders went live

I think any orders received after 14:00 are rolled into the next day. Even still though if you paid for next day delivery I would have expected it by the 18th.

g67575 · 19 Oct 2023 at 16:22

Seems like it's only worth upgrading to a 14th gen if you have a low end (4-6 P-core) 12th generation CPU. Or if building a new system.

13th generation was better than I expected, but for the 14th gen, there was no more room for improvement, beyond a couple hundred Mhz (and some additional E-cores, if you value these).

There's a pretty strong argument to just wait until Q4 2024 to build either a Arrow Lake or Zen 5 system, on the respective new platforms.

I think AMD may have a slight edge for a few months, because the AM5 platform will be reasonably mature by the end of 2024.

humbug · 19 Oct 2023 at 17:03

IT Troll said:
The new software-based optimisation which is for "14th gen" only is really shady.

Especially given that Steve Burk unwittingly tested one of the games that Intel said has a 12% performance improvement, it actually had nothing.

The amount of times Intel have said they have improved the performance of ARC cards by 15% they should be blowing the 4090 out of the water by now....

jigger · 19 Oct 2023 at 17:57

So more, more of the same? I had hoped Intel might have done something interesting with the Atom cores.

Dg834man · 19 Oct 2023 at 18:58

Little more than a launch to please the shareholders,

[Death] · 19 Oct 2023 at 19:20

which ddr5 kits are people using on the 14900 , just about to finish my purchase. pref would like 64gb at fast speed but i know 32gb kits are the only 6000+ so may have to go 32

Andy Pandy · 19 Oct 2023 at 19:22

Adrian1976 said:
No worries you're welcome, I don't know how accurate this reading is on Z690 but generally the higher the better apparently.

So I did what you suggested to me and the temps seem a lot better now and the vcore has come down too. The pc seems stable doing an intel xtu stress test, but Cinebench gives me an error when I try do a test. I don’t get a bsod so I’m presuming it’s a software issue.

All I’m really fussed about is having the best performance I can and lower temps for gaming. If by changing to the settings you gave me has achieved this then I am happy

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Glanza · 19 Oct 2023 at 19:24

[Death] said:
which ddr5 kits are people using on the 14900 , just about to finish my purchase. pref would like 64gb at fast speed but i know 32gb kits are the only 6000+ so may have to go 32

G Skill 6400mhz cl32, had it with my 13600k and it's working fine with XMP on the 14900k.

RaidenGB · 19 Oct 2023 at 20:05

Am on 12600k atm an was looking to upgrade to 14 gen, like to upgrade every 2 years buy after looking at some of the reviews little bit unsure now. game at 1440

humbug · 19 Oct 2023 at 20:18

RaidenGB said:
Am on 12600k atm an was looking to upgrade to 14 gen, like to upgrade every 2 years buy after looking at some of the reviews little bit unsure now. game at 1440

Thing is if you want to stick with Intel, (and no point in getting AMD, unless its a 7800X3D) you will have to change motherboards with 15'th gen, 13/14'th gen is an ok upgrade, not great but ok.

Rroff · 19 Oct 2023 at 20:25

Stu999 said:
Come back with pics of your completed build.

Gonna be a few days, didn't get as far today as I hoped and working over the weekend.

Also not entirely sure what I'm going to do about the primary NVME - I bought the heatsinked version thinking maybe I'd just leave the built in motherboard NVME heatsink off in the primary socket not realising if you populate it that drops the PCI-e x16 slot down to x8 (not a huge deal with a 3070 but doesn't sit right with me and I'll upgrade the 3070 if/when nVidia prices are a bit more favourable or if my needs changed and a 4090 or some future higher end GPU was worthwhile). The 2nd CPU M.2 and the rest of the M.2 sockets are under a heatsink which also does cooling duty for the chipset so I can't just leave that off and I don't want to mess about replacing the chipset cooling.

In 2 minds whether to try and remove the heatsink on the 990 Pro or put it in another system and buy one without the heatsink.

Dave2150 · 19 Oct 2023 at 20:49

g67575 said:
Seems like it's only worth upgrading to a 14th gen if you have a low end (4-6 P-core) 12th generation CPU. Or if building a new system.

13th generation was better than I expected, but for the 14th gen, there was no more room for improvement, beyond a couple hundred Mhz (and some additional E-cores, if you value these).

There's a pretty strong argument to just wait until Q4 2024 to build either a Arrow Lake or Zen 5 system, on the respective new platforms.

I think AMD may have a slight edge for a few months, because the AM5 platform will be reasonably mature by the end of 2024.

Zen5 is on AM5, which won't be a 'new' platform at that point. I believe AMD only committed to releasing Zen5 on AM5, with Zen6 being a new platform. All could change though!

Arrow lake on LGA 1851 will be completely new, and supposedly will support another new architecture/generation of CPU. Lets hope the new generation isn't just +100Mhz and locked down software though

g67575 · 19 Oct 2023 at 21:12

Zen 6 is likely to be on AM5 also.

This slide suggests AM5 socket support until 2026. New CPUs will release on an annual cadence, suggesting that Zen 6 will follow in 2025, unless it is delayed.

AM5 is still pretty new, and I doubt they would change the socket without a good reason.

There's no draft specification for DDR6 yet (probably will be drafted in 2024), I don't think DDR6 will be available on consumer desktop PCs until 2026 at the earliest, as companies like Samsung aren't due to begin production until then.

I think both Intel and AMD will wait until DDR6 is ready for mass production, before introducing new platforms.

JollyJamma · 19 Oct 2023 at 21:19

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Dave2150 · 19 Oct 2023 at 21:54

g67575 said:
Zen 6 is likely to be on AM5 also.

This slide suggests AM5 socket support until 2026. New CPUs will release on an annual cadence, suggesting that Zen 6 will follow in 2025, unless it is delayed.

AM5 is still pretty new, and I doubt they would change the socket without a good reason.

There's no draft specification for DDR6 yet (probably will be drafted in 2024), I don't think DDR6 will be available on consumer desktop PCs until 2026 at the earliest, as companies like Samsung aren't due to begin production until then.

I think both Intel and AMD will wait until DDR6 is ready for mass production, before introducing new platforms.

AMD has only committed to launching Zen5 on AM5. No word of Zen6, so it's just pure conjecture.

g67575 · 19 Oct 2023 at 21:57

Well, it doesn't look like they are just going to release nothing in 2025 or 2026, unless you ignore the fact that they aim for an annual release cadence.

RaidenGB · 19 Oct 2023 at 22:35

humbug said:
Thing is if you want to stick with Intel, (and no point in getting AMD, unless its a 7800X3D) you will have to change motherboards with 15'th gen, 13/14'th gen is an ok upgrade, not great but ok.

yeah as you said its a ok upgrade, got a gigabyte Z690M aorus elite MB which is DDR4 MB really thinking of holding out and doing the whole MB, MEM, CPU, 15th gen cycle

Adrian1976 · 19 Oct 2023 at 22:50

Andy Pandy said:
So I did what you suggested to me and the temps seem a lot better now and the vcore has come down too. The pc seems stable doing an intel xtu stress test, but Cinebench gives me an error when I try do a test. I don’t get a bsod so I’m presuming it’s a software issue.

All I’m really fussed about is having the best performance I can and lower temps for gaming. If by changing to the settings you gave me has achieved this then I am happy .

Cool I am glad it helped somewhat, I wouldn't get to hung up on Cinebench, Constantly pushing 250 to 300w and beyond on these chips won't do them any good I don't think, Just use your system as normal and if any bsods or other errors appear, Just increase that offset a couple of points and retest, I find Cyberpunk soon picks up any CPU instability, I've passed stress tests in the past on my 12900K like the FP64 Raytrace CPU benchmark in Aida 64 and crashed with Cyberpunk within a matter of minutes but a slight Vcore bump sorted that out.

gerardfraser · 20 Oct 2023 at 02:18

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Emlyn_Dewar · 20 Oct 2023 at 05:22

humbug said:
The amount of times Intel have said they have improved the performance of ARC cards by 15% they should be blowing the 4090 out of the water by now....

Not really. When it's 15% in specific games, or when the starting rate was single-digit FPS.