Looks like OCUK has started to drop the prices of 14th gen... not by much though mind you.
Between 2-5%
Every little helps!
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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"
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Every little helps!
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It is, I'm running my 14900KF at 6.2 GHz 2c 60x 3c 59x4c and all core 5.7 and still with an 60mv undervolt from stock VID.
I do have an SP global 100 KF P core 108 and E core 85, Intel is shipping out a lot of bad chips though with over 1.5v VID for 1 core at 6ghz lol.
Whoever has those send that crap back.
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I'm kinda stumped. I just can't seem to get mine under control, tried undervolting, not stable anything past a 30mv undervolt, Performance I'm getting on stock tdp is like 20% less than it should be, with unlocked power it draws upwards of 300w but I still get 10% below normal performance, ( cinebench R23 of like 36k at best) CPU constantly throttles and I have a triple 360mm rad setup in my custom loop and a cpu contact frame. I'm gonna try repasting and mounting the block in a couple of weeks when I'm off but yeah if that has no luck I think I got a dud
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That's odd So it's consuming 300w and only giving you a score of 36k in R23? That's not right at all.
What board are you on? What are your temps and Vcore? ( Is it die sense or Vout Vcore? Also do you know what your VID Voltage table is in the bios?
When I first installed mine it was paired with NT-H2 paste on my Capellix H150i 360 at stock and on Auto Voltages in the bios ie Going off Intels programmed VID mine was just about throttling in R23 high 80's-90s.
Since then I've got rid of the Capellix and bought the EK Nucleus on recommendation and that alone dropped my temps by about 12c with the same paste, Then I bought some PTM 7950 thermal phase change pad and installed that last night and after some heat cycles I'm now at max 71c for 1 run of R23, Way way better, I can undervolt my KF 100mv Negative offset in Actual VRM in Asus bios at stock clocks, It all depends on the quality of the silicon of each individual CPU.
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I'm on a Aorus z690 Xtreme, temps just always on all core load sit between 90 and 100 when its thermal throttling. Single core in games sit about 60/70 degrees or 80 in more intense CPU titles. Liquid temps also can get kinda warm but I do run a low fan rpm. Even when I run 100% on fans and get liquid temps down to around 24/8c performance barely improves and CPU temps hardly change. I'm using Kryonaut paste. Idk what my voltages are exactly, I could only get a 0.030v undervolt in XTU to be stable. I'm not experienced with undervolting/overclocking in Bios.
If I lock power to stock of 253 my score in r23 is like 32k.
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I'm not familiar with those boards, Have you got both CPU EPS cables connected and have you checked they're connected properly?
Some bad samples Intel is shipping out with 1.5v VID for 6ghz won't help either.
Stock should give at least 39K + at 253w in R23.
Maybe try Remount, Could be a bad mount.
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Yeah I've got a week off coming up early december, gonna do a remount then. I have both EPS cables in securely yeah but will have to reseat them anyway when I take CPU waterblock off.
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Let us know how it went, I was throttling at stock and R23 clocking down to 5.4 because I could not unlock Multicore enhancement without throttling even more however now since the couple of changes I did I can now unlock the power limit if need be and at 300w I am nowhere near throttling now with with this AIO and the PTM, Good Luck!
We'll see some crazy price reductions once Zen5 launches. Arrow Lake will probably be massively delayed, as it's intel's first mainstream desktop attempt at chiplets etc.Looks like OCUK has started to drop the prices of 14th gen... not by much though mind you.
Between 2-5%
Highly suspect Intel will greatly expand game compatibility with Application Performance Optimization (APO) and also open it up to 12th and 13th gen when (or just before) Zen5 launches, to claw back some performance in reviews etc.
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Almost everyone's using Intel CPUs in their Youtube builds?
New tool called core director lets you configure windows thread scheduling to keep any process you choose off the E cores
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CoreDirector is a new free tool designed to keep apps off Intel E-Cores. - VideoCardz.com
CoreDirector to make thread scheduling on Intel 12th Core+ CPUs simpler Bitsum have released a new app to take control of the Intel hybrid design Core architectures, the tool is called CoreDirector. The thread scheduling process should be greatly simplified by this application, which is totally...
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The more i look at this the more i think i should just pick up a 13900k and run that with the e cores disabled. Been running my 12700k with e cores disabled lately to bump the clocks abit higher and im seeing some game performance improvements.
Also i video i saw noted that you can run the 14600k and 14900k without updating the bios since they're basically the same chips are previous parts and same core counts. Only the 14700k needs an update, has anyone tried this yet?
Also i video i saw noted that you can run the 14600k and 14900k without updating the bios since they're basically the same chips are previous parts and same core counts. Only the 14700k needs an update, has anyone tried this yet?
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There are, IIRC some have posted here, those who have ran a RL refresh on their 690 boards BUT with a BIOS update first.
My Gigabyte 690 board, DDR4, with a 12700k, has had a few BIOS updates since RL and the refresh series. One of the previous ones noting the support of what turned out to be RL.
It would be interesting to see if a RL refresh CPU as you note would run in a board, at least to the BIOS, without being updated.
Did you not notice that some games are pretty decent at using the e-cores..?
From what i've noticed running some games with or without the E cores disabled made no difference which leads me to believe that Win11 is handling the core usage/allocation properly in some applications but as a general disclaimer there's no loss in turning them off for gaming, i've only seen some slight improvements.
I only really turned off the E cores so i could run Star Citizen properly as it was utilising all the cores no matter what i did causing a stuttery mess.
Soldato
Did it improve for you, with turning off those cores AND allow better performance..?
I do not know much about that game but Cities Skylines 2, has its own issues, seems to utilise the e cores quite well...
Bigger and clickable picture here.....
clickity click
I do not know what it would mean if the e-cores were disabled. Civ VI seems to also utilise the e-cores. With some other games tho they largely remain inactive, in terms of noting the game utilise them much.
What are you running your 12700k at, per-core overclocking..?
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I get the exact same behaviour with Star Citizen lol since I had the 12900K from day 1, We're now on 14th gen and still the same behaviour.
I find it astonishing this still has not been fixed from either RSI, Microsoft or Intel themselves putting pressure on Microsoft for the scheduler to work properly and use all cores for maximum gaming performance.
That's hybrid CPUs for you, Same goes for AMD's X3D lineup with 1 CCD or whatever it is lol.
Did it improve for you, with turning off those cores AND allow better performance..?
I do not know much about that game but Cities Skylines 2, has its own issues, seems to utilise the e cores quite well...
Bigger and clickable picture here.....
clickity click
I do not know what it would mean if the e-cores were disabled. Civ VI seems to also utilise the e-cores. With some other games tho they largely remain inactive, in terms of noting the game utilise them much.
What are you running your 12700k at, per-core overclocking..?
Think from the videos i've been watching lately, this is one of the only games i know that utilises all the cores and utilises them in a way that works correctly.
For me personally right now im leaving E cores off as i've had no downsides with them off having run it like this for a few days now just doing my daily tasks and editing work. Gaming feels abit smoother.
Yeah its annoying but according to RSI that's how the game is built and its built to run all active cores which makes running it on hybrid cores like this annoying as E cores aren't really designed for gaming.
Our only hope is APO fixes this using profiles but when that will come is anyones guess especially for 12th and 13th gen.
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Yeah exactly, Took me ages of putting up with the stuttering when I got the 12900K originally until I figured it out lol, It's a stuttering mess with E cores enabled.