1930s Semi Refurb - Part 11 of ... (Summer House)

[Buffman]

I used the steel rebar'y things. If the kit above is more expensive I'd stick to tried and true. Just make sure you go a foot or two past your structure, don't be tempted to "peg" the corner.

Yeah I use poly glue. I don't know the caberdeck but get what you mean RE: D4. This stuff foams up unlike any other glue I've used though.

On joist hangers I am pretty sure it is the 47x272. Wickes actually do a box of 50 which may work out cheaper.

Timber to Timber Standard Joist Hanger 47 x 272mm - Pack of 50 | Wickes.co.uk

Timber to Timber Standard Joist Hanger 47 x 272mm - Pack of 50

www.wickes.co.uk

Ah where did you get the rebar from?.. Joist hangers for mine it says you want 112 hangers which seems like a lot...

 

[Buffman]

P.S. Joist hangers are MISERABLE lol. You may want to rent a PPN....seriously. I am a right knuckledragger and can power through most things, but I really hated joist hangers.

A tip, because the hangers are bigger than the wood, is to use an angle grinder to cut the sides (Liam just bashes them down but he using like a 30 oz framing hammer lol). Your hands will thank you and it'll be a lot neater!

Yeah I seen them being bashed down and just thought itd be a bit of a pain when you get the floor in with some minor undulations in it.

 

[dlockers]

Ah where did you get the rebar from?.. Joist hangers for mine it says you want 112 hangers which seems like a lot...

2 per joist at 400 centres across 7meters - I think I ordered 98 or so. They soon get eaten up!

The rebar I got from my brother - but toolstation do sell them:

Roughneck Fencing Pins

If you need to create a quick or temporary barrier, pick up this pack of Roughneck fencing pins. These robust pins with hooks are just the thing for securing rope or hazard tape.The tips of the pins are hardened, so you can use them even in more compacted soil. The entire pin has been painted to...

www.toolstation.com

 

[Buffman]

Does this price list seem reasonable to you @dlockers

I realise Im only going to PIR the floor so I think i can do half the units OF 100mm PIR

 

[dlockers]

Does this price list seem reasonable to you @dlockers

I realise Im only going to PIR the floor so I think i can do half the units OF 100mm PIR

Will take a proper look in early AM but did you sign up as trade on materials market? You literally click trade and it asks for nothing.

 

[Buffman]

Will take a proper look in early AM but did you sign up as trade on materials market? You literally click trade and it asks for nothing.

Nah i just emailed and asked for a quote :X

 

[dlockers]

Nah i just emailed and asked for a quote :X

Tell them you are trade and ask for a discount (garden rooms ltd or something lol).

Here is what I paid:

https://i.imgur.com/VB5GhwD.png

No vat on the handwritten

 

[Buffman]

Tell them you are trade and ask for a discount (garden rooms ltd or something lol).

Here is what I paid:

https://i.imgur.com/VB5GhwD.png

No vat on the handwritten

Cheers a couple spot checks against yours and looks pretty much the same even once I add VAT. thanks.

 

[dlockers]

Cheers a couple spot checks against yours and looks pretty much the same even once I add VAT. thanks.

He's gone up in price too! MM has been cheaper for my 50mm PIR than his quote. Not quite the scam it once felt like

 

[dlockers]

Dont forget to order your nails online as well. They are a pain to find in the real world

 

[Buffman]

Dont forget to order your nails online as well. They are a pain to find in the real world

Is that the 30mm twist nails? I got these on a toolstation order but 8 packs seems a lot... Are 30mm nails ok for joist hangers etc seems quite short?

Not sure what you're meant to do without a nail gun for the underside frame. I've decided against buying a nail gun as my dog hates the noise

Sheradised Square Twist Nail Pack

These twist nails are just the ticket for your general construction work. A unique twisted design allows the nail to absorb movement that may occur in buildings. This makes structures more stable and less likely to crack. It's ideal for attaching building items such as metalwork joists, hangers...

www.toolstation.com

 

[dlockers]

Is that the 30mm twist nails? I got these on a toolstation order but 8 packs seems a lot... Are 30mm nails ok for joist hangers etc seems quite short?

Not sure what you're meant to do without a nail gun for the underside frame. I've decided against buying a nail gun as my dog hates the noise

Sheradised Square Twist Nail Pack

These twist nails are just the ticket for your general construction work. A unique twisted design allows the nail to absorb movement that may occur in buildings. This makes structures more stable and less likely to crack. It's ideal for attaching building items such as metalwork joists, hangers...

www.toolstation.com

Ah no I meant the nails for the nail gun. If you are screwing ignore.

Buy double the sheradized nails, they were way under stated in the build pack. You use about a pack for each splice plate pair and a load on the joist hangers.

They are fine for the roof straps

 

[Buffman]

Ah no I meant the nails for the nail gun. If you are screwing ignore.

Buy double the sheradized nails, they were way under stated in the build pack. You use about a pack for each splice plate pair and a load on the joist hangers.

They are fine for the roof straps

Does it tell you anywhere what size to screw for the floor plates? Normally I'd expect to have some nails in the floor also as screws have poor shear strength.

Maybe I'm missing it in the build pack instructions...

 

[dlockers]

Does it tell you anywhere what size to screw for the floor plates? Normally I'd expect to have some nails in the floor also as screws have poor shear strength.

Maybe I'm missing it in the build pack instructions...

He doesn't use structural screws or anything, I don't think they are under that kind of load? I'd whack a bunch of 100mm's in.

 

[Buffman]

He doesn't use structural screws or anything, I don't think they are under that kind of load? I'd whack a bunch of 100mm's in.

Would 100mm not blow thru the 100mm timbers so really 60 is a better bet?

I was gonna part screw and part hand nail it. I'm an engineer by trade so tend to overdesign stuff..

 

[dlockers]

Would 100mm not blow thru the 100mm timbers so really 60 is a better bet?

I was gonna part screw and part hand nail it. I'm an engineer by trade so tend to overdesign stuff..

The floor plate will be on the bearers which are 100, and you have 22mm of chipboard to clear, and the 2" part of the 4x2. Definitely 100 IMO, maybe 120 is pushing it.

 

[Buffman]

The floor plate will be on the bearers which are 100, and you have 22mm of chipboard to clear, and the 2" part of the 4x2. Definitely 100 IMO, maybe 120 is pushing it.

Oh sorry, I'm talking about the side to side fixings on the base of the frame thru the timber joist hangers which I wasn't sure about, thus a shear load.

For the flooring I was gonna use a load of 60mm flooring screws and some 100s for the main body of the stud walls. They will all be in compression /tension with uplifting which I'm not too concerned about.

 

[Buffman]

Got a couple problems on mine....

For the 4x3 my build would needs 8 lengths and materials market said the minimum order is 20 lengths

Was it this foil type tape you said to use under the caberdeck? Then I wouldn't need additional layer of anything?
URN: 3008006

100mm Aluminium Foil Tape | Materials Market

This membrane look OK? But cheaper than toolstation

Buy Tyvek Housewrap Breather Membrane 1.4m x 100m

 

[dlockers]

Oh sorry, I'm talking about the side to side fixings on the base of the frame thru the timber joist hangers which I wasn't sure about, thus a shear load.

For the flooring I was gonna use a load of 60mm flooring screws and some 100s for the main body of the stud walls. They will all be in compression /tension with uplifting which I'm not too concerned about.

Sorry I am being a tard and still don't know what you mean!

Floor wise I used my favourite Spax screws but any normal 60mm will work.

Got a couple problems on mine....

For the 4x3 my build would needs 8 lengths and materials market said the minimum order is 20 lengths

Was it this foil type tape you said to use under the caberdeck? Then I wouldn't need additional layer of anything?
URN: 3008006

100mm Aluminium Foil Tape | Materials Market

This membrane look OK? But cheaper than toolstation

Buy Tyvek Housewrap Breather Membrane 1.4m x 100m

I just heard they are playing games on the 4x3. Can you get them somewhere else?

Tape wise - yes but I normally but it from TS. I wouldn't bother putting anything else if you tape.

 

[Buffman]

I just heard they are playing games on the 4x3. Can you get them somewhere else?

Tape wise - yes but I normally but it from TS. I wouldn't bother putting anything else if you tape.

Ah yeah I could try somewhere else but don't really know any local merchants.

Do you know if that membrane I posted above looks alright? Will mean only 1joint if it's 1.4m and also slightly cheaper than 2 at toolstation (plus I'll have a load of spare...