2008 Canadian Grand Prix - Race 7/18
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Torch [P4];11848385 said:
Before he went off, he was having a stormer. However, I do feel that he is setting up his car for absolute speed, which is making it very twitchy over bumps. A driver of his callibre shouldnt be making these errors. Its 2 in a row now. The error in Monaco was terrible.
A lot of Ferrari supporters in here, I see.
Probably cos in the schumacher era we all were fed up of him winning, and turned to Kimi at McLaren, now that he's moved to ferrari we still support him. And yes I think Kimi would have won, and going by the way the track got so dirty i think hamilton and his wagging rear end would have probably ended the same way as his good mate fred.A lot of Ferrari supporters in here, I see.
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Almost an understandable decision by the FIA. But why rosberg, i'm not particularily a fan of the bloke, but surely he just saw hamilton keep going and just assumed he was in second behind those lot. I know he is an amazing driver, but sometimes i wonder whats going through hamiltons head. When he was on topgear, he seemed still very teenage like minded, i.e. he reminded me of some of my mates, who are 17-18. Much prefer MotoGP, rossi coming from 9th to 2nd, much much more entertaining!
Dont forget that Hamilton has led a sheltered life. Which would account for why he is so mature when it comes to racing (when on the track, not the pit-lane), but lacks life experience.
Had FIA not castigated Rosberg, McLaren would've appealed and won, using the fact that Rosberg also crashed into the back of another car in the pit-lane, when he shouldve been observing the traffic lights. FIA cannot allow such an appeal to be won.
IMO Hamilton should not have been punished for what happened today, as he did not intentionally bang into the back of Kimi. He was in a bad state of mind, just as Nathan, above explained and wasnt thinking about the traffic lights. Intent is everything - if he intended to take out Kimi, then by all means ban him, but to chastise him for taking himself and Kimi out isnt right.
Hell, MS blatantly took out D.Hill in 1994 and he escaped punishment, as did Kimi, when he took out Sutil.
Its funny, because when Sutil got taken out at Monaco, people on this board were saying that had a Ferrari been taken out, that driver would get chastised. Well, low and behold, a Ferrari got taken out and what do ya know...
Had FIA not castigated Rosberg, McLaren would've appealed and won, using the fact that Rosberg also crashed into the back of another car in the pit-lane, when he shouldve been observing the traffic lights. FIA cannot allow such an appeal to be won.
IMO Hamilton should not have been punished for what happened today, as he did not intentionally bang into the back of Kimi. He was in a bad state of mind, just as Nathan, above explained and wasnt thinking about the traffic lights. Intent is everything - if he intended to take out Kimi, then by all means ban him, but to chastise him for taking himself and Kimi out isnt right.
Hell, MS blatantly took out D.Hill in 1994 and he escaped punishment, as did Kimi, when he took out Sutil.
Its funny, because when Sutil got taken out at Monaco, people on this board were saying that had a Ferrari been taken out, that driver would get chastised. Well, low and behold, a Ferrari got taken out and what do ya know...
If Kimi hadn't been parked there and Hamilton had simply run the red light - what would the penalty have been? It happened to someone a few races back I think... Whatever that penalty was should have been the minimum Hamilton received, and because the indiscretion took out another driver likely higher.
McLaren/Martin Whitmarsh isn't too happy with the penalty it seems.
Yes there is a difference between the Monaco incident and this. But really it isn't all that much. One happened at 180mph or so and another happened at the exit of the pit lane under SC conditions on a track that has a history of having problems like this.
The net result between Monaco and this is the same. A car or multiple cars has been eliminated from the race. LH could not continue. His race was over. Kimi DID continue in Monaco and it was only by the skin of his teeth that he didn't score a point.
10 places IMO is a bit harsh considering Kimi didn't so much as get a slap on the wrist.
As above, if the FIA didn't penalise Rosberg as well then McLaren would have had grounds for an appeal. But they took their time with this one. Normally a penalty like this between some lesser drivers would get dealt whilst the race was still running. But I suspect a lot of phone calls were made following this incident...
Yes there is a difference between the Monaco incident and this. But really it isn't all that much. One happened at 180mph or so and another happened at the exit of the pit lane under SC conditions on a track that has a history of having problems like this.
The net result between Monaco and this is the same. A car or multiple cars has been eliminated from the race. LH could not continue. His race was over. Kimi DID continue in Monaco and it was only by the skin of his teeth that he didn't score a point.
10 places IMO is a bit harsh considering Kimi didn't so much as get a slap on the wrist.
As above, if the FIA didn't penalise Rosberg as well then McLaren would have had grounds for an appeal. But they took their time with this one. Normally a penalty like this between some lesser drivers would get dealt whilst the race was still running. But I suspect a lot of phone calls were made following this incident...
Had Kimi not been parked there, Hamilton wouldve ran the red light and got disqualified. The FIA could disqualify him, but it wont make any difference as he didnt finish the race.
When Kimi ran into the back of Sutil, Sutil wouldve finished 4th (I think it was), yet he got absolutely no credit for the race and Kimi received no penalty. So the fact that Kimi mightve gone onto win the race, shouldnt make any difference to the decision.
If it could be shown that Hamilton rammed into the back of Kimi on purpose, then he should be punished, but when he hit his brakes hard to prevent hitting Kimi, he shouldnt be punished.
When Kimi ran into the back of Sutil, Sutil wouldve finished 4th (I think it was), yet he got absolutely no credit for the race and Kimi received no penalty. So the fact that Kimi mightve gone onto win the race, shouldnt make any difference to the decision.
If it could be shown that Hamilton rammed into the back of Kimi on purpose, then he should be punished, but when he hit his brakes hard to prevent hitting Kimi, he shouldnt be punished.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
No, it wasn't intentional but it was hardly a straightforward racing incident either.
He didn't see the red light at the end of the pit lane (and didn't wonder why 2 cars were stationary?!) and in the process took himself and an innocent party out. Not on.
That's because Kimi drives for Ferrari. They get away with anything.
Agreed.
British drivers should get extra points because they are british tbh. do you agree?
should he be punished, yes.
should rosberg have been punished, no, however he has become an "unfortunate" victim of FIA politics in order to keep mclaren quiet
should kimi be punished, nope, however if his gearbox is trashed and must be changed if its still within its 4 race period, then i expect the appropriate penalty, regardless of the circumstances under which it happened. (if he gets away with it there will be an outburst regarding gearbox problems caused by shunts, knocks, incidents etc) the 4 race rule would suddenly become a lot harder to maintain
should rosberg have been punished, no, however he has become an "unfortunate" victim of FIA politics in order to keep mclaren quiet
should kimi be punished, nope, however if his gearbox is trashed and must be changed if its still within its 4 race period, then i expect the appropriate penalty, regardless of the circumstances under which it happened. (if he gets away with it there will be an outburst regarding gearbox problems caused by shunts, knocks, incidents etc) the 4 race rule would suddenly become a lot harder to maintain
As he retired from the race i would imagine that he can change the gearbox without penalty even if it wasn't damaged.