Caporegime
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Makes up for it 

Double nutmeg? Achievement unlocked.
Everton
Goalkeepers: Joel Robles, Tim Howard
Defenders: Leighton Baines, John Heitinga, Phil Jagielka, Antolin Alcaraz, John Stones
Midfielders: Darren Gibson, Gerard Deulofeu, Kevin Mirallas, Ross Barkley, Leon Osman, Steven Pienaar, Seamus Coleman, Marouane Fellaini, John Lundstram
Forwards: Nikica Jelavic, Arouna Kone, Steven Naismith, Apostolos Vellios, Victor Anichebe
Juventus
Goalkeepers: Gianluigi Buffon, Marco Storari, Rubinho, Leonardo Citti
Defenders: Giorgio Chiellini, Martin Caceres, Angelo Ogbonna, Paolo De Ceglie, Federico Peluso, Andrea Barzagli, Marco Motta, Leonardo Bonucci, Stephan Lichtsteiner, Pol Garcia, Filippo Penna
Midfielders: Claudio Marchisio, Paul Pogba, Luca Marrone, Fausto Rossi, Simone Padoin, Andrea Pirlo, Kwadwo Asamoah, Arturo Vidal, Mauricio Isla, Marcel Buchel
Forwards: Mirko Vucinic, Carlos Tevez, Fernando Llorente, Fabio Quagliarella, Alessandro Matri, Sebastian Giovinco
Why are Uniteds basic skills so poor in general compared to very average sides. I know this is pre-season but our passing and control of the ball is god awful. Welbeck epitomises this. Misses good passes because he doesn't have the ball under control when dribbling or running with it. Very frustrating to watch when you see how easy it is for players like Kagawa.
Utd losing again? Moyes did warn you - he was going to do what David Moyes does![]()
Why are Uniteds basic skills so poor in general compared to very average sides. I know this is pre-season but our passing and control of the ball is god awful. Welbeck epitomises this. Misses good passes because he doesn't have the ball under control when dribbling or running with it. Very frustrating to watch when you see how easy it is for players like Kagawa.
Because you have too many players brought up in the English league who never learned to control a football
It's the same internationally. Sides like Croatia, who didn't even have a nation 20 years ago, are so much better than us technically it's embarrassing.
Because we have focused on hoof ball to two expensive strikers for too long. We cut out the middle man and go long eventually someone like huth will make a bad header and our forwards pick up the pieces and then we think we are sucessful and all superior despite being outplayed by teams like black pool for 45 minutes etc.