I dont care who governs in Scotland I just cant stand Krankie - the English media loves to torture us with her whining.. and I thought Salmond was bad. Must be how lefties felt after helping get rid of Boris lol..
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I dont care who governs in Scotland I just cant stand Krankie - the English media loves to torture us with her whining.. and I thought Salmond was bad. Must be how lefties felt after helping get rid of Boris lol..
I agree that the best thing for the tories is to hold out and wait for people to get bored and revert to default.
It is possible that the Labour lead could be overturned. But it's also possible that things (especially mortgages/rents) could become such a problem tories continue to lag Labour.
Tories need a substantial improvement for people in all demographics below the very top during this 2 years to hold on in my opinion.
Its possible.. But unlikely.
If people are losing thier homes both rental and mortgaged (likely) thus causing house prices to fall that's the tories bread and butter.
So that's middle class range put out
Then benefits and support not forthcoming
That's the lower earners put out
You're left with a tiny percentage of wealthy who still might suffer enough in a broader economic downturn to vote for a change.
As it stands I dont think they have a chance. Everything points to deterioration in standard of living for almost everyone.
Only hope they have is convincing public its global. Or a turn around. Maybe the war ending.
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Patronising much?
So if the press support the Consetvatives they're reflecting what's happening otherwise they're misleading people.
Sounds like the attitude of a certain Mr Putin.
It is a joke, blaming their failures on that. We can see they will never accept responsibility for anything.
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A long time ago I voted tory
Then I voted Liberal, but I wasn't too disappointed with the tory government.
Then Boris came in. I wasn't happy. But accepted it isn't a disaster. He got voted in fair and square. (obviously many lies, but that's OK in politics.. Apparently)
Now, now I have utter contempt for the tories. I wouldn't vote for them if you paid me. Never have I felt this distant from a leader in the UK.
From environmental, to workers rights, to tax cuts for the rich, to lack of support for the poor, to increasing government debt.... My views are nearly polar opposite. I have no common ground with the unique policies of Truss. This has NEVER happened for me. I've always agreed with at least a few policies.
I'm clearly not alone.
Only plus point is, I've never wanted to vote as much as I do now. Even though it makes no difference in our system in my area.
Then I voted Liberal, but I wasn't too disappointed with the tory government.
Then Boris came in. I wasn't happy. But accepted it isn't a disaster. He got voted in fair and square. (obviously many lies, but that's OK in politics.. Apparently)
Now, now I have utter contempt for the tories. I wouldn't vote for them if you paid me. Never have I felt this distant from a leader in the UK.
From environmental, to workers rights, to tax cuts for the rich, to lack of support for the poor, to increasing government debt.... My views are nearly polar opposite. I have no common ground with the unique policies of Truss. This has NEVER happened for me. I've always agreed with at least a few policies.
I'm clearly not alone.
Only plus point is, I've never wanted to vote as much as I do now. Even though it makes no difference in our system in my area.
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Grim reading:
www.theguardian.com
Over 330,000 excess deaths in Great Britain linked to austerity, finds study
Research comes as government signals fresh round of public spending cuts
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Bizzarre comparison.
The media is leading the public to believe that the countries current situation is purely down to the mini budget and ignoring the economic crisis extends around the world.
It's not something that any government can fix in a nice easily digestible soundbite.
Grim reading:
Over 330,000 excess deaths in Great Britain linked to austerity, finds study
Research comes as government signals fresh round of public spending cuts
I been to the GP a few times in last month.
On one occasion only 1 GP was in the surgery. And he was vocal about his discontentment.
I was fobbed off with serious concerns. Likely due to pressure. It took several trips to A&E to be taken seriously
I can completely see how austerity is killing people. Just in NHS.
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There absolutely is. A lot of people I know are generally Tory voting (myself included at times), almost all of them are disgusted by the general behaviour of the government and can't wait to vote Labour/tactically.
The Tories need it too so they can rebuild what's left of their party. They are frighteningly out of touch and actually delusional in many cases.
That was the lads point. The tories are doing such a poor job (as defined by the media/the current hysteria) that a lot of folk will vote labour just out of protest (or tactical as you put it).
Conservatives knew this, that's why they didn't burn Rishi who is their only credible future PM.
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Depends on what you mean by "current situation"
Many issues have been caused by conservative policies over the last 12 years, not because of Pandemics or Putin.
The NHS was suffering long before Covid arrived. Here is NHS waiting times between 2010 and 2019:
"Waiting lists: 2.5 million people were waiting for hospital treatment in 2010. This rose to 4.6 million in September 2019, the highest number to date. The waiting time target, which states that 92% of those on the waiting list should have been waiting for under 18 weeks, hasn't been met since early 2016."
Lack of police has been an issue for many years, which means people feel that burglaries, car thefts etc aren't taken seriously.
Social care has been in crisis for over a decade.
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Yes, but that is still 'real' support. Disillusion with one party so you go to another - then maybe back again in future. That's just how politics often works. Maybe Labour do a great job and people will be happy to keep them in power.
It's lazy to just blame the media, the Tories have buried themselves.
I think Sunak would have probably sorted them out, Truss was always going to be a disaster.
You've just proven my point - you wouldn't vote Labour because you like Labour but because you are currently annoyed with the Tories.
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Grim reading:
Over 330,000 excess deaths in Great Britain linked to austerity, finds study
Research comes as government signals fresh round of public spending cuts
How many deaths in the UK have had the cause on a death certificate stated as malnutrition? A tiny, tiny number I would wager, last figures I can find with a cursory Google was 90 in 2016. That's out of very nearly 600,000 deaths in 2016... Just 0.02% died through malnutrition.
Even the ONS state death in the UK due to malnutrition are very uncommon.
Bear in mind when malnutrition is cited amongst other conditions on a death certificate, it is mainly the other conditions that have led to the malnutrition.
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Ah right, your not in Scotland are you?
I think regardless of who it was, it was going to be a disaster. We are just at that stage in the lifecycle. Burning Truss to save Sunak was probably a 200 IQ move.
In terms of what has happened though, they have fixed the energy crisis (temporarily) and decided to give something back to every working individual. Hysteria aside, I don't see the "big" problem - other than it making good punchlines to jokes.
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How many deaths in the UK have had the cause on a death certificate stated as malnutrition? A tiny, tiny number I would wager, last figures I can find with a cursory Google was 90 in 2016. That's out of very nearly 600,000 deaths... 0.02% did through malnutrition.
Even the ONS state death in the UK due to malnutrition are very uncommon.
Bear in mind when malnutrition is cited amongst other conditions on a death certificate, it is mainly the other conditions that have led to the malnutrition.
You seem to be arguing a point nobody has made. Malnutrition isn't even mentioned in the article.
It says "Poor nutrition", which isn't the same thing.
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