2022 mini-budget discussion

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Eh? :confused:

Did you even read read the article? Or the part that I carefully bolded for you?



Remember, the claim you just made was:



Which is untrue, period.
Tbh, that's a moral victory for the other guy, when you have to go back 100 years to a minority government running the show for just 9 months to 'prove' he's wrong.

Not that it really matters. Tory governments have been consistently utterly rat****ing the country since ww2.
 
I think someone should get a petition going for an immediate general election. Strike while the irons hot because these people have got to go, 2 years is too long to wait.

Sign da ting (its not quite new though)
 
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the main rates generally wernt higher, but there were a sod for stealth taxes, but either way both parties give the everyday person sod all in reality.
i go by what it was like at time, i dont generally go looking for figures tbh, just things i remember

You only need to look at all the cuts the Tories made to public services to see that is not true.
 
He wasn’t elected, had he been, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine.

Literally everything Corbyn said would happen, is. He had the policies to prevent it.
Oh come on, do you really believe that? How? By splitting up NATO?

This whole narrative that NATO expansion caused the war is just complete bunkum. It may be some small concern to Russia, but it seems far more likely that more domestic political factors are relevant and Putin doesn't want a modern democratic EU member right on his border. The war was also originally probably supposed to consolidate his grip on power as things became a little bit shaky for him.

Russia was never interested in a negotiated settlement.

Corbyn has shown he would not have been prepared to offer as much military assistance as Boris was to his credit, which might well have made an impact on Ukraine's ability to defend itself, particularly if it meant other countries were not influenced by the UK's lead.
 
Thats also nonsense but. How much of a tax cut would it take for you to work more? Would a social sector pay rise have helped more people?

Social Sector? well you need to work from the basis that there's no public sector without the private sector. To be a net contributor you need to be earning around 48k GBP or somewhere in that region. Therefore there is a 'bite point' of a social contract between those on 48k and over and the government. Helping the 600k people that earn over 150k sounds like a bad idea but each person in the 150k+ bracket pays 5-6x the amount of tax someone on 27k earns, therefore, retention of this small pool of 600k people is critical otherwise, those on 27k end up paying more tax and their living standards drop as a result.

Work more? Well if you earn 1000pd from a 1850pd rate card (there's a large amount of corp. tax and vat in there that's paid as a result) and your missus earns 600pd-750pd doing tech. training. You don't actually gain much for working more regardless of tax rate unless you take on multiple roles because you are on day rate. I know people that do it (take multiple roles) but its risky.

For your average freelancer, tax rate cuts won't actually encourage you to do more work, the ideal situation is to do 4 days per week at that rate card and do it from a location in southern Spain where your mortgage is 100k euros for a 3 bedroom villa with a pool and raise a family.

Tax increases on the other hand, once they reach tax parity with places like Spain, Portugal and Greece encourage you to leave the U.K. Which, I was 100% dead cert on doing but now, its a pause for thought but I will probably end up going once Spain passes the Start-up law in December/January.

Would further tax cuts prevent me from going? Maybe, especially if VAT was cut to 10% but with the Sunak raids (mostly) reversed its the cost of property now that's the deciding factor.
 
lol you need to get out more:cry:
now calm down and have a nice G&T before you burst a blood vessel:cry:

Why would I need to calm down?

You made a claim, I demonstrated that it was untrue, you then dishonestly represented the article's contents in order to avoid admitting it.

And that's all there is to it. I'm not sure why you think I wouldn't be calm.
 
because its pointless and there more to life than jumping on google fact checking things you opposed to, plus misses is coming with my tea :D

Facts matter.

If you're going to make a claim that's untrue, don't get your knickers in a twist when someone calls you on it.

I suspect that you're taking this distractionary stance now because you feel a little embarrassed.

But hey, thanks for reminding me why I so rarely post in GD.

Enjoy your tea.
 
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Would further tax cuts prevent me from going? Maybe, especially if VAT was cut to 10% but with the Sunak raids (mostly) reversed its the cost of property now that's the deciding factor.
Seriously how much money do you need? You said you are going to be 30-40k a year better off with these tax cuts. That’s not far off what I earn in actual wages. I get by just fine on a fraction of what you likely earn yet alone the tax savings.

This isn’t personal but people like you make me sad. I’m sure your a decent person and you do an important job worth every penny you get. But if you can’t live a comfortable life in this country and still pay your fair share in tax maybe you need someone less fortunate to help you budget.
 
Social Sector?

Would further tax cuts prevent me from going? Maybe, especially if VAT was cut to 10% but with the Sunak raids (mostly) reversed its the cost of property now that's the deciding factor.

Sorry my mistake. I thought i was still talking to

I don't get it. How many of you actually want higher taxes? Its not making any sense to me. I work hard, very hard, in both the health and social sector. When I look at my payslip at the end of the month, it hurts. So in the end, I end up working less, so I'm taxed less and this creates all the waiting lists, that affect you, the guys who are in for higher taxes. Tax me less and I work more hours and reduce the waiting list, is this not rational?
 
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Social Sector? well you need to work from the basis that there's no public sector without the private sector. To be a net contributor you need to be earning around 48k GBP or somewhere in that region. Therefore there is a 'bite point' of a social contract between those on 48k and over and the government. Helping the 600k people that earn over 150k sounds like a bad idea but each person in the 150k+ bracket pays 5-6x the amount of tax someone on 27k earns, therefore, retention of this small pool of 600k people is critical otherwise, those on 27k end up paying more tax and their living standards drop as a result.

Work more? Well if you earn 1000pd from a 1850pd rate card (there's a large amount of corp. tax and vat in there that's paid as a result) and your missus earns 600pd-750pd doing tech. training. You don't actually gain much for working more regardless of tax rate unless you take on multiple roles because you are on day rate. I know people that do it (take multiple roles) but its risky.

For your average freelancer, tax rate cuts won't actually encourage you to do more work, the ideal situation is to do 4 days per week at that rate card and do it from a location in southern Spain where your mortgage is 100k euros for a 3 bedroom villa with a pool and raise a family.

Tax increases on the other hand, once they reach tax parity with places like Spain, Portugal and Greece encourage you to leave the U.K. Which, I was 100% dead cert on doing but now, its a pause for thought but I will probably end up going once Spain passes the Start-up law in December/January.

Would further tax cuts prevent me from going? Maybe, especially if VAT was cut to 10% but with the Sunak raids (mostly) reversed its the cost of property now that's the deciding factor.

Ah so your 40K saving is about corp tax and not just PAYE, I was going to say....
 
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He wasn’t elected, had he been, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine.

Literally everything Corbyn said would happen, is. He had the policies to prevent it.

4th June 2017: “Jeremy Corbyn [as PM] could spark a run on the pound”. Rupert Murdoch’s Times.

23rd Sept. 2022: Pound hits a 37 year low against the dollar.

You are in some kind of fantasy if you think anything Corbyn has talked about would have prevented Russia invading Ukraine.
 
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