8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors

[Dirk Diggler]

30 * 8700k at £450 extra cost = £13,500. Obviously, got to subtract the cost of delid, bin and testing. I could stab a guess at maybe £10,000 profit and even then I'm probably too high when all costs are taken in, plus maybe all 30 didn't make the grade?

Whilst I understand that a K chip retail from OcUK will give me the same chance it ever did as it won't be tampered with, I'm not sure this was a great move by OcUK as there's clearly a bit of negative publicity as a result... not everyone will have spent the time reading this thread and getting up to speed on the facts, and some people may actually get false info second hand.

If it was 300 chips then fair enough.

 

[TwsT]

I remember back when the 4770k’s came out, loads of OEM CPU’s went out loose in Jiffy bags, some still covered in thermal paste from when they were tested. Apparently this was an accident but it only takes this to happen once for customers to lose trust in what is said. The only way I would accept a OEM cpu is if it comes in a OEM box and is still sealed.

YEs that happened.

Buying oem cpu's means you don't get a box unless we put it in one.




This is a tray of oem cpu's

 

[beany_bot]

YEs that happened.

Buying oem cpu's means you don't get a box unless we put it in one.




This is a tray of oem cpu's

So that all said and done we have to put a LOT of trust in you to believe you haven't pre-tested the OEM CPU's (and put them back in the tray). And seeing how much profit is to be made from selling binned ones. I dare say many if not most people will not believe that you haven't "had a quick peek" at the OEM CPU's designated for individual sale to see if there is an £800 one lying in there...
But thats just the hit you have to take if you are going to be selling binned CPU's (but then equally a company where they are not selling binned the staff could be keeping the best OEMs for themselves). I will just stick to buying retail. Not that I don't trust you. But you are a corporate business after all.

 

[TwsT]

30 * 8700k at £450 extra cost = £13,500. Obviously, got to subtract the cost of delid, bin and testing. I could stab a guess at maybe £10,000 profit and even then I'm probably too high when all costs are taken in, plus maybe all 30 didn't make the grade?

Whilst I understand that a K chip retail from OcUK will give me the same chance it ever did as it won't be tampered with, I'm not sure this was a great move by OcUK as there's clearly a bit of negative publicity as a result... not everyone will have spent the time reading this thread and getting up to speed on the facts, and some people may actually get false info second hand.

If it was 300 chips then fair enough.

Having a forum has it's benefits and negatives such is life. We take the rough with the smooth.

people rarely read the facts.

Gibbo mentions someone reported good mining hash rates on vega.

Gibbo is quoted as being the source


Gibbo says we will honour all promo pricing of vega if you ordered one at the lower price, r/amd refused to believe AMD would do rebates and that gibbo is a liar despite havign nothing to lie about. people still refuse to believe that the buy price was above the msrp in the uk....

We are so used to uninformed people making snap judgments on stuff it's kind of pointless. We live in a world where raising an RMA no questions asked is considered customer service over trying to ensure the fault isn't something easy to resolve.

If you're the sort of person who bases an opinion off hearsay and secondary information you are likely to be the sort of person that only gets entrenched when your opinion is challenged.

 

[TwsT]

So that all said and done we have to put a LOT of trust in you to believe you haven't pre-tested the OEM CPU's (and put them back in the tray). And seeing how much profit is to be made from selling binned ones. I dare say many if not most people will not believe that you haven't "had a quick peek" at the OEM CPU's designated for individual sale to see if there is an £800 one lying in there...
But thats just the hit you have to take if you are going to be selling binned CPU's (but then equally if not selling binned the staff could be keeping the best ones for themselves). I will just stick to buying retail. Not that I don't trust you. But you are a corporate business after all.

Well that would be the case anyway even if we didn't openly sell binned chips you'd still have to trust OEM stuff is new. The Sales of goods act gives you a right to cancel and inspect any items bought at a distance as it is implied you would be able to inspect the item in a shop. Essentially if you buy anything online you are trusting that the company is honest and you are buying what is claimed on the website.

 

[Bluntwrapped]

YEs that happened.

Buying oem cpu's means you don't get a box unless we put it in one.




This is a tray of oem cpu's

I was thinking more the sealed OEM CPU’s HP/Dell and alike use internally for system building. Occasionally these pop up on the auction place, factory sealed in a box or bag. I’d feel much happier buying one of these knowing temptation is prevented by a sealed package.

I bought a 2700k years ago from Gibbo’s OEM batch, and i’m fairly sure it was tested before I received it.

 

[TwsT]

I was thinking more the sealed OEM CPU’s HP/Dell and alike use internally for system building. Occasionally these pop up on the auction place, factory sealed in a box or bag. I’d feel much happier buying one of these knowing temptation is prevented by a sealed package.

I bought a 2700k years ago from Gibbo’s OEM batch, and i’m fairly sure it was tested before I received it.

DELL and HP buy the same trays of cpu's we do if it comes sealed they seal it!

for the money you save retail chips are a smarter buy anyway for the warranty alone imo.

 

[beany_bot]

Whats typical price diff between Retail and OEM?

 

[TwsT]

£10 on the 7700k's on the site which seems about right.

£10 for 2 years extra warranty and peace of mind it's a no brainer imo.

OFC for a system integrator that may only make 40-100 on the whole system (some of the ebay type resellers) £10 is money. bulk buying a few trays of oem adds to the bottom line which is crucial for them to continue.

 

[Silent_Scone]

If being forthright about the whole thing, too, I think it's fair to say the majority of people (not all) misunderstanding and kicking up a fuss about the retail boxed situation, wouldn't delid anyway. If concerned about maximum potential frequency, you should be doing this no question. Or at least paying for the service.

I think that's what they call full circle...

 

[Bluntwrapped]

DELL and HP buy the same trays of cpu's we do if it comes sealed they seal it!

for the money you save retail chips are a smarter buy anyway for the warranty alone imo.

That’s prob true man, but the folks over at Dell and HP aren’t really on the same page as far as enthusiasm for overclocking goes.

If I had a tray of OEM CPU’s would I bin them before selling? Of course I would lol. Since I would do it myself, I can hardly expect others not to.

I would only ever buy new retail unless the chip is locked to begin with and as you say, is cheap to reflect the 1 year warranty.

 

[bru]

Any anger should be directed at Intel, seeing as they prebinn all the chips right at the start.

 

[beany_bot]

£10 on the 7700k's on the site which seems about right.

£10 for 2 years extra warranty and peace of mind it's a no brainer imo.

OFC for a system integrator that may only make 40-100 on the whole system (some of the ebay type resellers) £10 is money. bulk buying a few trays of oem adds to the bottom line which is crucial for them to continue.

Don't forget you get a sweet *ss fan with retail too. In fairness yeah £10 for retail seems to way to go for any of us "enthusiasts" (or indeed if you have the pocket depth then Pre-binned.)

 

[TwsT]

That’s prob true man, but the folks over at Dell and HP aren’t really on the same page as far as enthusiasm for overclocking goes.

If I had a tray of OEM CPU’s would I bin them before selling? Of course I would lol. Since I would do it myself, I can hardly expect others not to.

I would only ever buy new retail unless the chip is locked to begin with and as you say, is cheap to reflect the 1 year warranty.

well yes and no, when you buy 300 cpu's at a time you don't bin them all. Speed binning to our requirements takes a long time. It's not just a quick flash in the pan yes it posts. We have business customers who want systems with high speed OC's (High frequency traders for example) So say we need 50 5.1 chips a we will bin 50 chips see how many we get then bin more as needed. once we have the 50 that we need for a customer the rest are graded and prepared for other things. We don't then continue binning for ever for jokes that is counter productive which ofcourse means some systems will have good chips in and we aren't utilising them. But staff time costs money and not just in wages everytime not spent building or testing a PC that a customer has bought is money lost really. regardless of the potential profits from selling binned CPU's direct to customers.

 

[TwsT]

Anyway I think i've spent as much time as I can on this for today, If you have an concerns or questions before buying a cpu please feel free to post in the customer service section where a member of the sales team will get back to you.

 

[COYS]

Forgive me if I've missed this but I assume the binning process is done after the dedlid? If so, and the chips that aren't good overclockers go in systems, does that mean there's a chance I could potentially buy a pre-built system that has a delidded chip in?

 

[subbytna]

Don't know one. Maybe don't bother and lower your sugary carbs

It's my weekly cheat meal You can only eat so much chicken and rice, before needing something nice

 

[jigger]

Instead of screaming and getting all upset every 6 posts why not make a sticky thread at the top of the CPU page? That should put this to bed.

This will never go away. It's just one of those topics that splits opinion. Some customers are happy with binned chips some aren't going to like it.

 

[haszek]

This will never go away. It's just one of those topics that splits opinion. Some customers are happy with binned chips some aren't going to like it.

I think it would go away for some. Instead, every generation of CPUs there are ppl "that's not fair because if you bin cpus, I have no chance to win on my silicone lottery"... This way it could be just replied with link to sticky thread, As most of those discussions are not about whether it's fair or not but always started by someone clueless how it works.

 

[beany_bot]

This will never go away. It's just one of those topics that splits opinion. Some customers are happy with binned chips some aren't going to like it.

I mean, they could certainly make the confusion go away with a sticky explaining their process that so many (including myself) were confused about. I don't know why they don't though.