8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors

TwsT · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:16

beany_bot said:
OK I totally get this. And it makes sense on the surface. But you have to also realise that for every person you sell a binned chip to. 10 other people are buying a K series CPU that is known (to you) to overclock poorly. Whether that be in a pre-built system or OEM or whatever. The silicone lottery plays both ways. For every winner there are losers. By rights you should be selling these CPUs cheaper than an untested CPU. Because if you want to make money on the good overclockers then you should be prepared to loose money on the poor overclockers. It's a double edged sword. You can't have your cake and eat it. If Im buying a K series CPU (in any form) I expect to have the same "chance" of having a decent overclock as someone buying it from the rainforest whatever. Yes, even in a prebuilt system.

Honestly I'm not trying to be a **** here. I can't be the only person that feels this way? If buying a K series processor you should expect to have the normal chance of getting a good overclocker. By selling the good overclockers separately you are then also selling people (often unknowingly to them) known poor overclockers.

not at all

If you buy a chip from our website that is not binned it has not been binned.

IT is 100% untested and new.

if could do 5.2 it could do 4.8 it could be a low volt chip or a high volt chip

The only place these binned chips get used is in systems that people have paid for a specific clock speed which is still above the stock speeds! we make money on the good chips to help us deal with any potential loss from chips that fail to meet our needs. We do not and will not sell them as new chips.

They do not go back into normal circulation any chip that is listed as OEM or Retail on our site is sold as new and thus hasn't been tested by us. Unless otherwise stated.

beany_bot · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:17

Aneskimo said:
This thread needs closing and any complaints should be directed to the customer service section

No it doesnt. It's a healthy discussion. I'm learning tons I didn't previously know. I thought OEM chips were a saving by not having a cooler with them. I had no idea until know they were pre-binned. This is important stuff.

EDIT - I just now learned that OEM are not tested. so I'm constantly learning.

beany_bot · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:19

TwsT said:
not at all

If you buy a chip from our website that is not binned it has not been binned.

IT is 100% untested and new.

if could do 5.2 it could do 4.8 it could be a low volt chip or a high volt chip

The only place these chips get used is in systems that people have paid for a specific clock speed which is still above the stock speeds!

They do not go back into normal circulation any chip that is listed as OEM or Retail on our site is sold as new and thus hasn't been tested by us.

OK, thanks for clearing that up for me. So pre-binned CPU's ONLY go into pre-built systems? And do you state that they are pre-binned and unlikely to make more than their sold speed? because I could potentially see a prebuilt K system and think, thats a good price. 4,7Ghz. I'll maybe be able to overclock that to 5.2 Ghz

TwsT · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:24

beany_bot said:
OK, thanks for clearing that up for me. So pre-binned CPU's ONLY go into pre-built systems? And do you state that they are pre-binned and unlikely to make more than their sold speed? because I could potentially see a prebuilt K system and think, thats a good price. 4,7Ghz. I'll maybe be able to overclock that to 5.2 Ghz

Yes, a pre-binned chip that does 5.1 via our testing at our voltage tolerances on our test board will likely not do more at those voltages. IF you put more voltages through it then you might find it does more but you may degrade the chip. We aim to provide a reliable overclockable chip at safe tolerances using the recommended cooling. And Yes they will be used in pre-built systems We do sell some cheaper systems that have low OC's that are still OC's we generally find that people who buy our PRe built systems don't want to overclock themselves. They just want a pre-built system that does what we said it would and they are usually happy with this.

beany_bot · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:27

TwsT said:
Yes, a pre-binned chip that does 5.1 via our testing at our voltage tolerances on our test board will likely not do more at those voltages. IF you put more voltages through it then you might find it does more but you may degrade the chip. We aim to provide a reliable overclockable chip at safe tolerances using the recommended cooling. And Yes they will be used in pre-built systems We do sell some cheaper systems that have low OC's that are still OC's we generally find that people who buy our PRe built systems don't want to overclock themselves. They just want a pre-built system that does what we said it would and they are usually happy with this.

OK then I see no issue here.
For sale are Pre-binned fast chips (at a premium cost). Retail chips (silicone lottery), OEM chips (Silicone lottery), and pre-built systems (set, declared speed).

This is fine. Misinformation all over the place got me panicked.

davisdavid · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:29

beany_bot said:
OK I totally get this. And it makes sense on the surface. But you have to also realise that for every person you sell a binned chip to. 10 other people are buying a K series CPU that is known (to you) to overclock poorly. Whether that be in a pre-built system or OEM or whatever. The silicone lottery plays both ways. For every winner there are losers. By rights you should be selling these CPUs cheaper than an untested CPU. Because if you want to make money on the good overclockers then you should be prepared to loose money on the poor overclockers. It's a double edged sword. You can't have your cake and eat it. If Im buying a K series CPU (in any form) I expect to have the same "chance" of having a decent overclock as someone buying it from the rainforest whatever. Yes, even in a prebuilt system.

Honestly I'm not trying to be a **** here. I can't be the only person that feels this way? If buying a K series processor you should expect to have the normal chance of getting a good overclocker. By selling the good overclockers separately you are then also selling people (often unknowingly to them) known poor overclockers.

But you're buying a sealed retail box processor or paying less for an OEM chip. You can't pay less and expect the same chances of a good overclocker. You can't have your cake and eat it. Neither the customer nor OcUK know whether a CPU will overclock well or not so the customer is still buying a ticket for the silicon lottery. OcUK could open 75% of all retail chips for binning but the 25% they sell as sealed retail are still a lottery. They aren't repackaging poorly overclocking binned chips into retail boxes.

TwsT · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:30

Yes it has been raised that we should perhaps explain the full process and that "new" means "new" in the opening posts I totally understand some of the confusion, Questions are fine sadly not everyone in these threads is here out of interest or general concern they are just 'concern trolling' for the sake of it. A practice seen too often on reddit.

davisdavid · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:31

beany_bot said:
OK then I see no issue here.
For sale are Pre-binned fast chips (at a premium cost). Retail chips (silicone lottery), OEM chips (Silicone lottery), and pre-built systems (set, declared speed).

This is fine. Misinformation all over the place got me panicked.

You posted this between your last post and mine. Didn't see it till I posted my last one

TwsT · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:32

davisdavid said:
But you're buying a sealed retail box processor or paying less for an OEM chip. You can't pay less and expect the same chances of a good overclocker. You can't have your cake and eat it. Neither the customer nor OcUK know whether a CPU will overclock well or not so the customer is still buying a ticket for the silicon lottery. OcUK could open 75% of all retail chips for binning but the 25% they sell as sealed retail are still a lottery. They aren't repackaging poorly overclocking binned chips into retail boxes.

yes you can

NEW MEANS NEW. If silicon lottery says 1 in 10 chips do 5.1 then you have a 1 in 10 chance. sure we could open a tray of cpu's and find 24 5.1's that would mean somewhere statistically there is 9 trays (for the sake of the 1 in 10) that don't do 5.1 but there is no guarantee that we have those trays in stock. Just like with scratch cards that have a 1 in 4 chance of winning you can still buy 4 and not win.

WE don't keep opening boxes till we got the result we need we base our sales off the results we get. And we adjust them as we use the stock up and retest.

before KLake came out I was testing trays of 6700k's that were all hitting 4.8+ but 1 year earlier getting 4.8 was pretty hard.

davisdavid · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:32

TwsT said:
Yes it has been raised that we should perhaps explain teh full process and that "new" means "new" in the opening posts I totally understand some of the confusion, Questions are fine sadly not everyone in these threads is here out of interest of general concern they are just 'concern trolling' for the sake of it. A practice seen too often on reddit.

I can't believe you aren't selling the pre binned cheaper than retail and I want to pay more for my retail processor because I should be first in the queue. I'm so annoyed. :cool:

davisdavid · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:41

TwsT said:
yes you can

NEW MEANS NEW. If silicon lottery says 1 in 10 chips do 5.1 then you have a 1 in 10 chance. sure we could open a tray of cpu's and find 24 5.1's that would mean somewhere there is 9 trays (for the sake of the 1 in 10) that don't do 5.1 but there is no guarantee that we have those trays in stock. Just like with scratch cards that have a 1 in 4 chance of winning you can still buy 4 and not win.

No I know, the second line doesn't read as well as it should. I'm referring to the numerous other 'discussions' I've had the past few days about binned and retail.

orbitalwalsh · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:43

not 8700k related but when you log into a distribution site and see 8600k is due in stock 31/12/2017..... sure OCUK sure a larger channel provider but damn- thats going to hurt all the small time building companies .

and i say fair play to ocuk making cash on the chips- not much profit in retail CPUs

**damn 8700k is also December ;(

Aneskimo · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:44

beany_bot said:
No it doesnt. It's a healthy discussion. I'm learning tons I didn't previously know. I thought OEM chips were a saving by not having a cooler with them. I had no idea until know they were pre-binned. This is important stuff.

EDIT - I just now learned that OEM are not tested. so I'm constantly learning.

Didn’t say your name did I? Reading through the comments there is a lot of arguing over company procedures on these chips. So starting fresh would be good unless a mod can remove a lot of the bickering

TwsT · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:47

orbitalwalsh said:
not 8700k related but when you log into a distribution site and see 8600k is due in stock 31/12/2017..... sure OCUK sure a larger channel provider but damn- thats going to hurt all the small time building companies .

and i say fair play to ocuk making cash on the chips- not much profit in retail CPUs

**damn 8700k is also December ;(

Hurts us all can't buy stock if it doesn't exist!

orbitalwalsh · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:51

TwsT said:
Hurts us all can't buy stock if it doesn't exist!

checked yesterday and had it stated for today- guessing large companies had back -order or didnt come in .

Guessing and hoping you guys have a larger distributor

also see you havent increased the price on the i5 8400- noticed a few have... £200!

P4Clock · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:55

Tbf is was also my understanding that oem cpu's we the binned chips that didn't clock very well. And I have had a few oem chips in the passed and they was very bad clockers

beany_bot · 10 Oct 2017 at 11:00

P4Clock said:
Tbf is was also my understanding that oem cpu's we the binned chips that didn't clock very well. And I have had a few oem chips in the passed and they was very bad clockers

See thats what I thought. And I've been shopping here for years, like you I suspect. Thats why OCUK really need (for their sake) to clarify this in a Sticky once and for all.

8 Pack · 10 Oct 2017 at 12:28

LOL.............. AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN..,.......... normal OEM to be sold on the website and System OEM are two different Items as far as our stock is concerned.

We only use SYSTEM stocks which never see the website unless they are listed as "binned" for binning and the lesser bins go into non OC PC's.................... Is this so difficult to comprehend ????????????

Bluntwrapped · 10 Oct 2017 at 12:31

beany_bot said:
See thats what I thought. And I've been shopping here for years, like you I suspect. Thats why OCUK really need (for their sake) to clarify this in a Sticky once and for all.

I remember back when the 4770k’s came out, loads of OEM CPU’s went out loose in Jiffy bags, some still covered in thermal paste from when they were tested. Apparently this was an accident but it only takes this to happen once for customers to lose trust in what is said. The only way I would accept a OEM cpu is if it comes in a OEM box and is still sealed.

beany_bot · 10 Oct 2017 at 12:42

8 Pack said:
LOL.............. AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN..,.......... normal OEM to be sold on the website and System OEM are two different Items as far as our stock is concerned.

We only use SYSTEM stocks which never see the website unless they are listed as "binned" for binning and the lesser bins go into non OC PC's.................... Is this so difficult to comprehend ????????????

Instead of screaming and getting all upset every 6 posts why not make a sticky thread at the top of the CPU page? That should put this to bed.