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8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors

In all fairness, reading through the thread from a neutral standpoint, there is quite a bit of confusion being caused and misinterpretation going on - I don't think 8pack is helping with that either (no offence, but the non-structured replies really don't lend themselves to a clear and open discussion).

So from all that we can summarise:
1. OCUK sell boxed, retail CPUs - these are as you would expect, direct from distributors / Intel, no questions asked.
2. OCUK sell OEM CPUs - these are boxless, fanless CPUs that can be bought cheaper from distributors / Intel. These are then reboxed by OCUK as needed and sold.
3. OCUK utilise stock from (presumably) OEM CPUs to create their pre-built PCs.
4. OCUK will bin and test OEM CPUs for use in pre-built PCs that are sold with a guaranteed overclock to meet what is advertised. They may be able to achieve higher overclocks, but will clock to the advertised speeds as a minimum.
5. OCUK offer a service whereby you can purchase a higher overclocked, "binned" chip that is guaranteed with a higher chip speed. As part of this service, 8 Pack de-lids the IHS to achieve a better thermal conductivity and thereby increase throughput and performance. These are also taken from OEM stock.
6. Any and all CPUs that are binned by OCUK and unused (likely because they are not stable at the settings they aim for) are returned to a stockpile that the public does not see nor have access to. It is from these chips that the pre-built systems are made from. At no point do these chips get returned to the "OEM" CPUs that the public can buy through the website.

Hopefully that clarifies things for anyone reading and getting confused.
 
bJN said:
In all fairness, reading through the thread from a neutral standpoint, there is quite a bit of confusion being caused and misinterpretation going on - I don't think 8pack is helping with that either (no offence, but the non-structured replies really don't lend themselves to a clear and open discussion).

So from all that we can summarise:
1. OCUK sell boxed, retail CPUs - these are as you would expect, direct from distributors / Intel, no questions asked.
2. OCUK sell OEM CPUs - these are boxless, fanless CPUs that can be bought cheaper from distributors / Intel. These are then reboxed by OCUK as needed and sold.
3. OCUK utilise stock from (presumably) OEM CPUs to create their pre-built PCs.
4. OCUK will bin and test OEM CPUs for use in pre-built PCs that are sold with a guaranteed overclock to meet what is advertised. They may be able to achieve higher overclocks, but will clock to the advertised speeds as a minimum.
5. OCUK offer a service whereby you can purchase a higher overclocked, "binned" chip that is guaranteed with a higher chip speed. As part of this service, 8 Pack de-lids the IHS to achieve a better thermal conductivity and thereby increase throughput and performance. These are also taken from OEM stock.
6. Any and all CPUs that are binned by OCUK and unused (likely because they are not stable at the settings they aim for) are returned to a stockpile that the public does not see nor have access to. It is from these chips that the pre-built systems are made from. At no point do these chips get returned to the "OEM" CPUs that the public can buy through the website.

Hopefully that clarifies things for anyone reading and getting confused.
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Exactly.

...However it seems from a few posters that some of those tested CPU's HAVE made it back into the OEM "pot" of CPU's for general sale. You really just have to take their word on that. it makes no business sense to not to take the best out of that pot and leave the rest for sale. However, that is speculation and OCUK have clearly said this does not happen. ...now.
 
I used to do the same thing. Go to a shop with a few grand, give someone a bung and rifle through the trays. Come home with 10-20 chips and test them. Some shops used to advertise the batch details. If I was looking for a particularly good clocker I'd just give 8 pack a call nowadays.
 
bJN said:
Hopefully that clarifies things for anyone reading and getting confused.
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And in the instance of Coffee Lake and specifically the 8700K launch.

1.) Took the retail boxed CPU's, and also binned those for selling at a higher speed/price.
2.) If you buy a pre-built system that is not pre-overclocked with an 8700K you are getting a guaranteed junk CPU, as it has been taken from the pile of CPU that are the worst of the worst. (As they assume you won't want to overclock for some weird reason)
 
Journey said:
And in the instance of Coffee Lake and specifically the 8700K launch.

1.) Took the retail boxed CPU's, and also binned those for selling at a higher speed/price.
2.) If you buy a pre-built system that is not pre-overclocked with an 8700K you are getting a guaranteed junk CPU, as it has been taken from the pile of CPU that are the worst of the worst. (As they assume you won't want to overclock for some weird reason)
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Really? This AGAIN?

One more time since you seem to still not understand.

If you buy a system from us without an overclock or a low overlock (4.8/4.9) You might get a chip that we have binned and found it doesn't do 5.0 @ 1.3v and stay cool on the recommended cooler. Baring in mind the system will likely be specced with an inadequate cooler to achieve super high clocks since it's been bought without a super high clock.

As someone in one of the threads has stated he bought a 5.0 GHz chip and it does 5.2 because he has adequate cooling to achieve the overclock. Our binning process is a guaranteed OC at a voltage that can be cooled by a 240mm AIO. It doesn't at anypoint mean the chip is junk it just means it doesn't meet a tight set of requirements that not all chips will meet regardless.

You seem to think we bin every single chip that comes in and grade it with the intention of mugging you all of which is not the case. Never has been the case.
 
you seem to be confused about what fail to pass means and how that affects the consumer.

You like many others assuming that we're grading the cpu's to the tilt and that there will be a batch of complete junk chips we will palm off on customers.

We aren't. We're binning to specific requirements if it doesn't meet that we don't continue binning and grading the chips. They simply get used where they are more than suitable.
 
Think this thread needs to be closed, I can understand a some of the people being upset but at the end of the day OC'ers are a company and need to make money, end of.
 
TwsT said:
you seem to be confused about what fail to pass means and how that affects the consumer.

You like many others assuming that we're grading the cpu's to the tilt and that there will be a batch of complete junk chips we will palm off on customers.

We aren't. We're binning to specific requirements if it doesn't meet that we don't continue binning and grading the chips. They simply get used where they are more than suitable.
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I didn't assume anything of the sort, but when you've got 8 pack saying one thing with his awesome CS attitude, and stating that non-passed CPU's go for SI, then you take that as a fact.

I am pretty sure, that given the volume of CPU's that you get through (and will in this instance once they are available) binning all of the OEM stock is completely illogical and would waste a great deal of time. However this is capturing this moment in time, and the past one week only with a tiny fraction of the CPU's you'd normally have for a launch of this kind, and has forced a change that would not normally be standard/best practice. The comment I made reflected this, and this only, since it is exactly what happened in this instance, all of the 30ish CPU's were binned to maximise revenue (rightly so) and ones that didn't pass (I think this was below 5.0GHz) went to SI.

Also, I have no bones what goes on, but if you do something once, and it is an exception then that's fine. However a fair warning to those buying during the launch would have probably been a good call. A forum post with something like, sorry there will be no non-binned stock on launch day due to Intel's stock shortages, anyone wanting an 8700K will have to pre-order, or buy a pre-binned CPU, this thread then wouldn't exist, and the backlash that went with it.
 
Come Back? said:
We all sorted now? You can thank me later for making it clear for you all how it works here at OCUK :o
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What have you made clear?

You've contributed just 5 posts to the forum all of them full of assumption and fluff. or nothing at all like this one.

If anything you've helped me clarify quite a lot to our customers so I should probably thank you.

All the same your work here is clearly done so don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
Come Back? said:
"If anything you've helped me clarify quite a lot to our customers so I should probably thank you."

Your Welcome
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:D

This thread has been entertaining to read.

Just to repeat what TJM asked.. Any idea if the limited number of 8700k's are still on track to come in this week for the pre-orders?
(Not pushing or anything, just curious :))

OcUK FTW! :cool:
 
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TrickyTris said:
:D

This thread has been entertaining to read.

Just to repeat what TJM asked.. Any idea if the limited number of 8700k's are still on track to come in this week for the pre-orders?
(Not pushing or anything, just curious :))

OcUK FTW! :cool:
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No idea might be best asking in the CS thread of the news post thread as issues will likely get lost in here.
 
Hi there

Right guys just want to say a couple of things, I am one of the highest in the chain at OcUK being pretty much responsible for everything from a purchasing aspect and off the page sales (website) as such my decision is pretty much final when it comes to sales of component product and promotion, plus I am a piece of the furniture having being here for so long. :D

All stock retail, OEM, anything that enters OcUK belongs to OcUK and what we deem to do with this stock is solely at our discretion unless I have taken the stock with rules outlined by a manufacturer on how to sell/promote, otherwise its our money and what we do with it is completely down to ourselves and OcUK always looks for a way to be different from competitors.

Also something people have being asking here a lot is how amazing it would be if binned processors were available at launch. As such I made the decision of do I just put 8700K in stock at an inflated price due to shortage, something a few other resellers choose to do, or do I put 8700K in stock at a high price but give the customer something extra for that money by offering binned de-lidded processors in stock on day one. Then leave the regular SKU on pre-order at pretty much the MSRP so those happy to wait a short time can grab a CPU without any price gouging knowing OcUK always delivers on its pre-order promise, infact OcUK is probably the most successful online reseller in the UK when it comes to products sold on pre-order, because we are trusted to deliver in a timely fashion. As such this was my decision, one which many of you may dislike and some of you like very much, as such I gave 8 Pack the stock to work his magic and an opportunity for OcUK to be a world first with binned product from day one and of course to help us make extra money because as other members who work in this industry have posted there is very little margin in CPU business, we consider it a good day if we make more than 5% and if by a miracle we crack double digits on CPU we pinch ourselves in case its a dream. This is not fashion, makeup, car cleaning, car parts where minimum margin is like 50%, our margins can be single digit and we need a specialist services and system integration to bolster our profits to keep growing and surviving in a tough market. Also if we sell a product for £1000, whether it cost is £1 or £999 is our business, what matters is the customer buying product is happy with that product and deemed it good value.

Also from day 1, the regular 8700K was never shown in stock, it was always pre-order and I made it clear stock would not be seen until end of October and as such anyone ordering to expect delivery in 2-3 weeks, maybe longer, the shortage is real and its worldwide. So OcUK has miss-lead no one and we choose to launch the way we did and for us its a huge success, something we shall be doing more and more off, the only difference is we hope for future launches, Intel supply us the stock we request so that all lines are in plentiful supply from day one.

Now the good news, I've worked with the various UK distributors to do some switching, I posted several pages back we would expect 10-20pc of 8700k retail/boxed this week and around 42 units of tray (they come in 21's), well I've managed to de-allocate some of our tray stock in exchange for more retail stock. Then I found another distributor who had stock, the reason they had stock is because they want £20 on top of the regular price so other retailers refused to buy due to the extra cost, we shall swallow the cost and get more of our pre-orders shipped out who purchased a regular boxed product.

Well I have taken this additional stock, as such tomorrow/Friday we shall hopefully get 80 units of retail boxed product arriving, yes you read that right, 80 units, this means as long as those 80 land anyone who ordered on launch day should get their order shipped as long as other items on their order are also in stock and of course we have just over 20 units tray incoming for 8 Pack to work his magic with, so binned chips should also ship and some left for FREE stock too.

As such all those who pre-ordered a regular CPU on launch day not expecting it until November, well you should be getting it this Friday/Saturday.

Once again OcUK delivers and may I say, what we do with out stock is at our discretion and we will always do everything we can to keep all customers happy which I believe we have now firmly achieved.

Also no other company in the world will give you this level of insight into our business and communicate with customers out of business hours (I was posting at weekend), but like many here said we are indeed a business and as a business we have two priorities which is to make money and try to keep all of our customers happy by providing more options than our competitors and a much higher level of customer service.
 
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Hopefully that will put to bed some of the silly comments on here. Fair play as well. Hope there's a 5Ghz chip in there to go with an APEX board when I order :D
 
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