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8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors

1. I did try and had any potential chance taken from me via greed....pre built, binned or other that's fine, but NOT with non oem RETAIL stock that's distributed for that solitary purpose (to sell at rrp to consumers)

2. That logic is the problem I'm whinging about, in the age we live in there is a very strong opinion on being fair, showing no discrimination and displaying equality. If someone has pre ordered a £359.00 retail cpu at 2pm on the 5th and Joe Bloggs orders a binned cpu at 2.01pm for more cash then I still expect to have mine before him regardless of what price he paid (first come first served basis)...this attitude and outlook on their tactics is really what im complaining about. It should be equal fairness for all loyal customers and not a priotising of people who are late because they wave a few more notes. Yes they can as a business decide to do this, but again it's morally wrong and deserves complaints and loss of custom.

3. No I havent made 2 accounts (I've no idea who the other guy is), why would i open 2 accounts when I can say all i want on one? Anyone with any morals should understand my view, yes business is business but again, ethics should play a part...thats why retailers in certain situations sell in demand items at limitations like 1 per customer and offer all at rrp with no price hikes regardless of stock shortages. It should be a first come first served basis at rrp....these common practices maintain moral integrity for the businesses name and shows a care for customers instead of this blatant carefree inconsoderate milking process.
To me there's no wonder some are complaining and I'm actually shocked it's not more if I'm honest, that being said, if another is upset and complaining, don't be surprised thats it's not me on a second account lol.
 
COYS said:
I don't understand. Sales of the Z370 motherboards went live at the same time at the chips didn't they? So why did you go ahead and buy the motherboard without the CPU? You can't now complain that you have to pay the finance on a system you can't use it when you shelled out money on everything but the CPU so couldn't use it anyway. Why didn't you just wait?

I'm not defending OCUK either, I think it stinks and I was looking to pull the trigger on a new system myself. However, in hindsight having now looked at the reviews, something there just wasn't time for in the mad scramble to find an 8700K in stock anywhere, I'm actually glad I didn't get one and will wait until the next offerings.
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I purchased a motherboard, cpu, power supply and some ram, it was like £800 worth of parts... why did you think i didn't buy the cpu? I wouldn't be annoyed if i got everything other than something I didn't buy.
 
Mark Vale said:
Lol see, even the very knowledgeable pro reviewer Steve Burke from gamers nexus agrees with my morals, lol I must be right then ;-)
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He doesnt mention OCUK, and he is talking about microcenter charging a lot on top of the RRP simply because they can.. OCUK's binned ones cost more due to time to delid/bin etc and the fact OCUK now have to honor that warranty themselves not intel
 
I have given my input and If people are too dim to see what's going on here then thats their fault, as already stated by someone else previously, if everyone looks accepting to this bad practice and everyone appears ignorant to it then it only encourages more of the same. Open your eyes people ffs.. they were RETAIL chips, not oem. They were sent to ocuk to be sold to consumers at RRP in Retail packaging, sealed/unopened with Intel having the expectation that it would fulfil 30 customers needs. They wasted peoples time in trying to obtain something that never existed but SHOULD have, took 30 processors away from 30 other people who didnt have an unlimited supply of cash to pay over the odds for one (favouring those who have a bottomless pit of cash to fuel their greed whilst sticking 2 fingers up to everyone else no matter how loyal they have been as a customer). People have pre ordered and paid for them at rrp (as they were designed to be) and they had the very stock these people had already paid for yet put them on sale to other people for more money.
I mean why can't people see this as wrong? The binning process is simply a masking.

Maybe a lengthy story and analogy may help those who dont seem to understand? ....Here it goes.......

How would you feel for example if you sold your old car to fund a new one and you went to view a new motor at your local garage, the garage had 30 of the car you wanted lined up in a row on the garage front. They told you that that model was just in your budget at say 10k but its pre order and expected to be released on the 5th...you see they clearly have several in stock at the garage however you buy one pre ordered for the 5th as you're in pretty desperate need of that motor in order to get to work and back...youve already paid all your budget/savings up front so wait it out and go on the 5th to get one of those 30 cars you saw lined up on the garage front, but to your shock the garage has what looks like only 1 or 2 left with 20k price tags on the windshields (double what you agreed and paid for) you say "I've paid for one already, so can I take one?" The salesman says to you...."sorry, no, I know you've paid for one but people are suddenly in need of motors and there's a sudden shortage, I've been offered more and can sell them to the wealthiest for double the price they were meant to be, the new unexpected 20k price tag comes because weve test driven them to ensure they work ok and are also offering a 12 month warranty on the engine (that has a life expectancy of 10 years anyway), however don't be alarmed as we may have some more in a month or 2s time once the rich have had their pickings and the need for them reduces... these 2 are still left as you say, and although you've already paid for one, they are both going to a rich bastrd who came late because they can pay 20k and you cant, so sod you, you can wait and ill chuck you down the bottom of the queue. I can always fulfill your order with your pre order cash much later down the line once ive finished rinsing all I can as this shortage continues"....

you think that sounds ok and fair? As i don't.

That's what they're essentially doing and also what you're all defending.
 
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Mark Vale said:
I love how someones piped up and said that im lucky ocuk havent charged £500+ for the 'NORMAL CHIPS ' like some retailers have... lmao, that really is irony at its best....they were 'normal chips' before they were opened and tampered with and it wasnt just £500 it was up to £800! (Only 300 out ;-))

I get that it's in short supply, i realise it's Intel's fault but that still doesnt make any of the above fair or right. Anyway I have written a huuuge essay covering everything i feel and I've said my bit. I'll stop ranting now.

As above I just hope that going by certain comments, i get my pre order when there is retail stock back in and it doesnt once again get opened and binned at a silly premium.

I will leave it at this...If I see a whole new batch of £500-£800 binned cpus before I have my pre order in hand, I'll be broadcasting what I can on this matter to every reputable pc enthusiast media
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800 is the top bin, you can’t afford it so don’t buy it and stop whining. My point is virtually every retailer was increasing price giving nothing additional back, its business - supply and demand is nothing new.

Broadcast your thoughts wherever you like, you’ll get your order when intel ship enough stock to cover it and there is nothing anyone here can do about that.

Funny thread this, the bit about ordering a car made some wee come out.
 
Train crash thread, business is business, the clue is in the name of their shop.

I highly doubt it cost much to bin the cpu’s, surely the staff doing it are getting a set salary for whatever they do, binning cpu or emptying out the rubbish bins, so I would guess there is a nice profit to be made.

Intel have no expectation of fulfilling customers building pc, intel customers are the retailers, they don’t care what happens after that, as long as they hit their sales and profit targets.
 
Mark Vale said:
I have given my input and If people are too dim to see what's going on here then thats their fault, as already stated by someone else previously, if everyone looks accepting to this bad practice and everyone appears ignorant to it then it only encourages more of the same. Open your eyes people ffs.. they were RETAIL chips, not oem. They were sent to ocuk to be sold to consumers at RRP in Retail packaging, sealed/unopened with Intel having the expectation that it would fulfil 30 customers needs. They wasted peoples time in trying to obtain something that never existed but SHOULD have, took 30 processors away from 30 other people who didnt have an unlimited supply of cash to pay over the odds for one (favouring those who have a bottomless pit of cash to fuel their greed whilst sticking 2 fingers up to everyone else no matter how loyal they have been as a customer). People have pre ordered and paid for them at rrp (as they were designed to be) and they had the very stock these people had already paid for yet put them on sale to other people for more money.
I mean why can't people see this as wrong? The binning process is simply a masking.

Maybe a lengthy story and analogy may help those who dont seem to understand? ....Here it goes.......

How would you feel for example if you sold your old car to fund a new one and you went to view a new motor at your local garage, the garage had 30 of the car you wanted lined up in a row on the garage front. They told you that that model was just in your budget at say 10k but its pre order and expected to be released on the 5th...you see they clearly have several in stock at the garage however you buy one pre ordered for the 5th as you're in pretty desperate need of that motor in order to get to work and back...youve already paid all your budget/savings up front so wait it out and go on the 5th to get one of those 30 cars you saw lined up on the garage front, but to your shock the garage has what looks like only 1 or 2 left with 20k price tags on the windshields (double what you agreed and paid for) you say "I've paid for one already, so can I take one?" The salesman says to you...."sorry, no, I know you've paid for one but people are suddenly in need of motors and there's a sudden shortage, I've been offered more and can sell them to the wealthiest for double the price they were meant to be, the new unexpected 20k price tag comes because weve test driven them to ensure they work ok and are also offering a 12 month warranty on the engine (that has a life expectancy of 10 years anyway), however don't be alarmed as we may have some more in a month or 2s time once the rich have had their pickings and the need for them reduces... these 2 are still left as you say, and although you've already paid for one, they are both going to a rich bastrd who came late because they can pay 20k and you cant, so sod you, you can wait and ill chuck you down the bottom of the queue. I can always fulfill your order with your pre order cash much later down the line once ive finished rinsing all I can as this shortage continues"....

you think that sounds ok and fair? As i don't.

That's what they're essentially doing and also what you're all defending.
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30 customers did get their needs sorted. , I'm pretty sure intel also doesnt specify what shops do or dont do with retail chips or else OCUK wouldnt do it.

However if you did pre order your CPU from OCUK prior to the release date and pre paid for it as you stated then Yes I do agree you should have gotten a CPU before they binned them.. I didnt look that hard but i wasnt aware of 8700k pre orders from OCUK?
 
Mark Vale said:
I have given my input and If people are too dim to see what's going on here then thats their fault

Maybe a lengthy story and analogy may help those who dont seem to understand? ....Here it goes.......
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a classic, if you don't agree with me then you're stupid comment.

They were sold at a premium like anything else in any industry that's in short supply. They will continue to be sold at a premium whilst there is short supply and those who pay more will probably get served first. If you do actually have a stock retail one on pre order I suspect you'll be waiting a while.

Most retailers raised the price on just the standard boxed chip. It's not a ground breaking business model. Would whatsapp have been sold to twitter instead of Facebook for half the price over 'ethics'? I think not.
 
It’s a total non arguement. If they went with this supposed ‘fair’ strategy then the winners would’ve been the ones with the time on their hands to F5 hammer it and catch the pre order window when it went live.

How is the limited stock being allocated to the time rich any more morally fair than the cash rich?

At least this was OCUK make some money out of it, which by the way they need to as intel are going to stick two fingers up for any warranty claims on delid CPUs.

Those moaning that it’s unfair can of course just buy one from somewhere else. Except they can’t because no one has any. What a bore. Wait it out, buy something else or buy from somewhere else.
 
Gibbo clearly put on the description for orders that we estimate we won't have cpu's till late October.

If you guys have noticed i9 are also currently difficult to get hold of 7900X and above if you need them now. We have orders outstanding on all. It's not just 8700K.
 
@Mark Vale your whinging as you put it about the pre binning of the retail processors?

You do realise that Intel pre bin all of them anyway, before deciding what goes into which SKU.
 
I doubt people would defend say the river place in this manner.

If they were selling an Xbox One X for double the money I doubt very many people would defend them saying it is supply and demand. It would be called profiteering.
 
Aneskimo said:
This reads like a car crash, if there is an issue post in customer services?
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The launch of this chip and the decision to bin all of the stock is the car crash. It's even more embarrassing now that it turns out that info coming from around the world is showing that 5.0-5.1GHz is super easy and didn't require a bin, or delid in a great number of cases. So they could have been sold with a higher clock but (too lazy) didn't want to deal with potential issues on a brand new platform using new chipset and motherboards.

I have to say binning all of the first day stock was stupid from a customer feedback point-of-view, not to mention a big risk since they didn't know how many other CPU's would reached these 'difficult' binned speeds. They've made a few grand, great, but now they may lose huge amount of custom going forward with all of the people who until now may have been a loyal OCUK customer. Yes, no one has stock, including OCUK, so people can now pre-order from somewhere else, and get a retail chip for the same or less money.
 
Ordering from somewhere who won't be inclined to use all stock for the higher priced and higher marketed SKUs might actually give you a better chance of getting one.

It is also worth remembering for all future pre-orders.
 
Journey said:
The launch of this chip and the decision to bin all of the stock is the car crash. It's even more embarrassing now that it turns out that info coming from around the world is showing that 5.0-5.1GHz is super easy and didn't require a bin, or delid in a great number of cases. So they could have been sold with a higher clock but (too lazy) didn't want to deal with potential issues on a brand new platform using new chipset and motherboards.

I have to say binning all of the first day stock was stupid from a customer feedback point-of-view, not to mention a big risk since they didn't know how many other CPU's would reached these 'difficult' binned speeds. They've made a few grand, great, but now they may lose huge amount of custom going forward with all of the people who until now may have been a loyal OCUK customer. Yes, no one has stock, including OCUK, so people can now pre-order from somewhere else, and get a retail chip for the same or less money.
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+1
 
Armageus said:
Good luck with that - looked 10 minutes ago, and nowhere has stock.

People are quick to complain, and pull out the big "vote with your wallet speech", but it's not an OcUK specific problem.
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I always buy binned chips.

To be fair I think your response is missing the point made above. What is wrong is the customer message that this sends to the regular people who buy things from OCUK which is the problem, not the actual stock situation nor the price of the binned chips themselves.

It is not like Intel will not fix the stock levels soon, they always do.

As it stands it just looks like a cynical money-grab to take advantage of a short-term situation, there are too many recent examples of it on OCUK and it is a fine line to be walked between having the best products available and exploitation of customer base. On this occasion OCUK have walked on the wrong side of the line.
 
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