Thats just women being powerful and embracing their sexuality though.
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Thats just women being powerful and embracing their sexuality though.
i reckon wayne rooney almost got caught out doing the same thing. after finding out a young girl he slept with was just about legal, he thought to himself: i'm never putting myself in that situation again. better safe than sorry...
I'm genuinely wondering how you tell if someone is of age, without checking their ID and then verifying its not fake of course.
She shouldn't have been in a nightclub.
She shouldn't have been in a nightclub.
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Kids shouldn't do a lot of things but do. They're kids, they make mistakes, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be protected.
That's not to say Johnson's definitely done something wrong but her simply being in the nightclub doesn't make her fair game.
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It's still no excuse though. Yes, if the nightclub bouncers had done their job then she wouldn't have been in there in the first place, but that doesn't excuse what Johnson did (if he did indeed do it). If I was in any doubt about a girl's age then I wouldn't go there.
If you genuinely did this you wouldn't sleep with a girl under 35. Girls develop earlier these days and if you have the right make up you can look way older than you really are. If people are allowed into an establishment that only allows people over 18 and they have doormen then its reasonable to assume that everyone in there is over 18.
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Apologies, you're right. If Johnson genuinely believed that she was at least 16 and the girl consented, then yes he's fine under the law.
The whole situation is a mess, possibly about to be made worse by the Chief Justice who wants to change the burden of proof in rape cases to guilty until proven innocent (the accused must now probe consent)
Rape is a despicable thing, it happened to a friend of mine from university but it is nigh on impossible to legislate the "grey area" cases fairly. If Johnson is in a club and gets with a woman who is in the club drinking (making an assumption that this is the facts) then how could he ever be expected to think she is 15 if she has already fooled her way past bouncers/bar staff and the rest? Add alcohol into the mix he is hardly going to be able to make a reasoned judgement.
There is no sane way to legislate this area and it will (almost) always come down to a "he said/she said" arguement and this instance do you assume innocence (allowing a get out to predators) or assume guilt (unfairly destroying lives) it's a horrible and impossible mess.
Rape is a despicable thing, it happened to a friend of mine from university but it is nigh on impossible to legislate the "grey area" cases fairly. If Johnson is in a club and gets with a woman who is in the club drinking (making an assumption that this is the facts) then how could he ever be expected to think she is 15 if she has already fooled her way past bouncers/bar staff and the rest? Add alcohol into the mix he is hardly going to be able to make a reasoned judgement.
There is no sane way to legislate this area and it will (almost) always come down to a "he said/she said" arguement and this instance do you assume innocence (allowing a get out to predators) or assume guilt (unfairly destroying lives) it's a horrible and impossible mess.
or ID them before you do any pasty action
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Not looking good. If he met her in a club it would give a reasonable doubt but until the facts come out this looks like he could be in serious bother. If guilty I hope they throw the book at him.
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As long as it's not a book of nursery rhymes, wouldn't want him getting ideas for pick up lines
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As long as it's not a book of nursery rhymes, wouldn't want him getting ideas for pick up lines
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Why exactly? Meet a girl in a club, presume she's 18. Go back to his place or wherever they went, have sex, get her number, she leaves. They arrange to meet up again some place, she dresses similarly, they go to a restaurant or maybe straight to his place.
If he went and picked her up from school the other times that is one thing. But if he was lied to the first time and he believed her to be 18, there would need to be some new event to make him think she wasn't after that.
As people have said before, it really depends entirely on circumstances, you see 20-25 year old women who could pass for 15, easily, and 15 year old girls who likewise(dressed appropriately) pass for 25 easily. if you meet someone in an adult situation where she appears over 18, is drinking, in a night club, then continues to meet her and she still looks older than 18.. .I don't see what changes that from acceptable to not at all acceptable. As said, if at some point he realised she was under 16, or it was clear from where they met or whatever, then he's an idiot.
He could just as easily have spotted her outside the gates of a school, known she was under 16 and gone after her anyway. Just pointing out, meeting up again doesn't really change things one way or the other, as before, context matters and we don't have the context in how they meet or how old she looks.
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Pretty much this. We aren't privy to the information that the police have gathered, so the fact that he met up with her on multiple occasions doesn't really change much if he met her in a club the first time and genuinely believed her to be 18. As DM says, unless he met her somewhere really obviously not right like at a school, he wouldn't have any reason to believe that she wasn't 18. If he's found guilty, then I hope he gets the appropriate punishment. If not, I hope he's allowed to return to football.
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